Sometimes I Wonder Why Did Roy Ever Waste His Time Fighting Fighters Like.....

[JAB5239]

At 168? When were Nunn & Roy at 168 simultaneously? In 1994 when Nunn was losing to Littles and Jones was beating Toney? Yeah, that was viable. Oh wait, you mean at 175 after Nunn lost to Rochigianni, right?

Just STOP.

Lol, oh Im sorry Otis Grant, Paz, Eric Lucas and the likes were all better fights than Nunn? With all due respect, you're dismissing everything like a nuthugger would, not a fan of the sport. This was a fight that was talked about as a real threat to Jones at the time in spite of Nunn's losses. By the way, I noticed you chose to say Little and not Liles, another fighter who Roy never got to.

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Lol, oh Im sorry Otis Grant, Paz, Eric Lucas and the likes were all better fights than Nunn? With all due respect, you're dismissing everything like a nuthugger would, not a fan of the sport. This was a fight that was talked about as a real threat to Jones at the time in spite of Nunn's losses. By the way, I noticed you chose to say Little and not Liles, another fighter who Roy never got to.

I didn't forgot to mention Liles, the other fighter at 168 that Nunn lost too. Perhaps I didn't mention that because at the time that was going on, Jones had just finished whitewashing Toney. See? I'm not picking names out of a hat, I know what I'm talking about. It's like someone sitting here 10 years from now and saying, "Floyd Mayweather should've fought Devon Alexander. Come on, he was better than Bruseles!" Just wacked out ****. But now you want to attack me as a nuthugger. Right. My friend, I don't place Jones on some pedestal top five or anything. I'm pretty objective when someone has a clear picture of what they're discussing. But if you make a comment like he should've fought Nunn or Calzaghe or Rochigianni and don't know WHEN he should have than sit down. Saying they are better than other opponents he fought means squat if he wasn't a viable one himself either at the time. Next?

[JAB5239]

I didn't forgot to mention Liles, the other fighter at 168 that Nunn lost too. Perhaps I didn't mention that because at the time that was going on, Jones had just finished whitewashing Toney. See? I'm not picking names out of a hat, I know what I'm talking about. It's like someone sitting here 10 years from now and saying, "Floyd Mayweather should've fought Devon Alexander. Come on, he was better than Bruseles!" Just wacked out ****. But now you want to attack me as a nuthugger. Right. My friend, I don't place Jones on some pedestal top five or anything. I'm pretty objective when someone has a clear picture of what they're discussing. But if you make a comment like he should've fought Nunn or Calzaghe or Rochigianni and don't know WHEN he should have than sit down. Saying they are better than other opponents he fought means squat if he wasn't a viable one himself either at the time. Next?

Dude, you're acting like these weren't viable or discussed fights. Nunn was talked about being a dangerous opponent for Roy for years. When were any of the other fights seen as a threat?

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Dude, you're acting like these weren't viable or discussed fights. Nunn was talked about being a dangerous opponent for Roy for years. When were any of the other fights seen as a threat?

If viable was your line of reasoning why in the world did you kick off with Calzaghe? Second, if you believe Nunn was a such a threat and was discussed for years, I'd expect you to be able to pick a specific window when this fight could have been made and wasn't. That's how people debate, learn, etc. I followed boxing pretty closely at the time and to me, the one fight that wasn't made that I place squarely on Jones was the one against an undefeated cruiser champ in Jirov. I can think of one or two others but most of the names you mentioned are typical cookie cutter responses from people who don't have any meat behind their assertions.

[IronDanHamza]

I didn't forgot to mention Liles, the other fighter at 168 that Nunn lost too. Perhaps I didn't mention that because at the time that was going on, Jones had just finished whitewashing Toney. See? I'm not picking names out of a hat, I know what I'm talking about. It's like someone sitting here 10 years from now and saying, "Floyd Mayweather should've fought Devon Alexander. Come on, he was better than Bruseles!" Just wacked out ****. But now you want to attack me as a nuthugger. Right. My friend, I don't place Jones on some pedestal top five or anything. I'm pretty objective when someone has a clear picture of what they're discussing. But if you make a comment like he should've fought Nunn or Calzaghe or Rochigianni and don't know WHEN he should have than sit down. Saying they are better than other opponents he fought means squat if he wasn't a viable one himself either at the time. Next?

10 years?

That kind of **** is already happening right now.

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10 years?

That kind of **** is already happening right now.

. That's how I feel right NOW! I mean, come on. Can't just spit out the name of someone just to spit it out. Then use lesser opponents (Alexander/Bruseles comparison, for example) as if that somehow validates it. I know it's been years since Jones was young but I still remember **** very, very well.

[IronDanHamza]

. That's how I feel right NOW! I mean, come on. Can't just spit out the name of someone just to spit it out. Then use lesser opponents (Alexander/Bruseles comparison, for example) as if that somehow validates it. I know it's been years since Jones was young but I still remember **** very, very well.

I do agree.

It happens all the time with lots of fighters, I've seen it happen time and time and time again over the years.

"Why didn't he fight him, they were in the same division!!"

Things of that nature.

[Toney616]

I think cutting muscle at that advanced stage of his career hurt him immensely. The beating he took in the first Tarver bout sealed it.

Without the use of steroids the most muscle a person can put on in 6 weeks is 6 lbs.
Both Lamphley, Merchant and even Jones has said that Jones only moved up to HW for one fight. It was always his intention to move back down, which is why he called Griffin before his fight with Tarver and offered him a rematch if he got past Tarver

So thats around 7.5 months of inactivity which would of resulted in some muscle loss than a 6 week camp, it should of been easy. It should also be pointed out that Hauser who was with him for his camp for Tarver 1 hinted that Jones was fat and compared him to James Toney.

Of course he did. A Jones-McClellan fight in 1992 would've been much, much too early. They knew each other pretty well from Kronk and the amateurs, had incredible gym wars against each other and were young, undefeated hard-hitting Americans. So while McClellan may have been calling him out then, it doesn't mean the fight was there to be made then. Jones was calling out Toney at 160 when James was still the champ there. The fight eventually came off at the perfect time. Jones versus the winner of McClellan-Benn was the obvious bout at the time and it looked like a safe bet one round in. But **** happens.

But that shouldnt of happened. A guy is constantly blinking and no one seems to notice. I watched that fight live and I was thinking to myself whats wrong with McClellan?

[Toney616]

If viable was your line of reasoning why in the world did you kick off with Calzaghe? Second, if you believe Nunn was a such a threat and was discussed for years, I'd expect you to be able to pick a specific window when this fight could have been made and wasn't. That's how people debate, learn, etc. I followed boxing pretty closely at the time and to me, the one fight that wasn't made that I place squarely on Jones was the one against an undefeated cruiser champ in Jirov. I can think of one or two others but most of the names you mentioned are typical cookie cutter responses from people who don't have any meat behind their assertions.

When Nunn was his wbc mandatory

[Toney616]

I didn't forgot to mention Liles, the other fighter at 168 that Nunn lost too.

To be fair I think that Nunn should of got the nod in that fight. It's also no shame to lose a close, competitive fight to an Elite fighter like Liles