Manny Pacqiuao a Top 25 all time great??

[IronDanHamza]

Hell, being top-100 is a hell of a compliment.

Poet

Precisely.

I don't think some people understand how good you have to be to considered a Top 25 ATG.

Atleast in my book.

[crold1]

'lineal championships' is just a stat, and it can be pretty damn misleading. Im not suggesting that its something to scoff at, but a win over the #1 guy in the division can easily be a better win than beating the lineal champ. ie Darius Michaebkajfkhd was technically the lineal champ, but a win over Roy would have obviously been much more impressive.

the fact of the matter is Pacquiao has eh about 12 or 13 wins over top competition. not bad at all, in fact its excellent considering the quality of the wins+the fact he was able to move up in weight. but a LOT of the top 25 guys all time have over 20, hell guys like Moore and Robinson have even over 30.

Going up in weight isnt actually as difficult as people suggest, with the day after weigh ins. Theres a reason that Pacquiao only had two wins at his two lowest weight classes, and was so fragile at the weight. He killed himself to make weight, which is something fighters in the same day weigh in era just couldnt afford to do.

that being said, you can make a fair argument for Pacquiao being above some guys that others put in their top 25 p4p.

What makes Pac's 4 lineal titles so impressive is that they are more than a paper stat in an era full of them. Each of the men he beat to claim a lineal throne (three actual lines and a vacant 130) was considered THE guy to beat at that moment. Considering the depth and history at 130 and 140, those are an impressive pair to pick up along with Fly and Feather.

The answer is probably yes regardless but if Pac beats May before it doesn't matter anymore, the thought that he would ever be rated outside of most notable top 10-20's a decade or so from now is fairly laughable.

[$Bullsfam$]

If he were to beat Floyd Mayweather and Sergio Martinez in impressive fashion I may consider him a Top 20 ATG.

And how is Sergio Martinez one of the best fghters of the past 15 years?

True that.

Sergio is the best middleweight in the world today. Top 5 P4P fighter right now. In last 2 years alone destroyed Kelly Pavlik and brutally KO'd Paul Williams are probably the 2 best middleweights in the world besides Sergio. I think if Pacman got by him that's a hell of an accomplishment. I'd say Sergio probably give Trinidad, Winky and Hopkins some problems if they were to go H2H prime against prime. Not win but I could see him putting up a good fight.

[IronDanHamza]

True that.

Sergio is the best middleweight in the world today. Top 5 P4P fighter right now. In last 2 years alone destroyed Kelly Pavlik and brutally KO'd Paul Williams are probably the 2 best middleweights in the world besides Sergio. I think if Pacman got by him that's a hell of an accomplishment. I'd say Sergio probably give Trinidad, Winky and Hopkins some problems if they were to go H2H prime against prime. Not win but I could see him putting up a good fight.

They were both very impressive wins which makes him #3 on my current P4P list.

However, other than those 2 wins his resume is pretty empty, to be honest.

There really is no reasonable argument what so ever for Sergio Martinez being one of the best fighters of the last 15 years. I mean, in the last 15 years there has been alot of good fighters, HOF'ers. If Sergio were to retire today I highly doubt he would ever come close to being inducted into the HOF and if he did I would disagree with it whole heartly.

That doesn't change the fact that if Pac were to beat him it would be a remarkable accomplishment but in all honestly I highly doubt Pac will fight Sergio Martinez.

[Sam Donald]

Pacs top 10/15 .. you got cats like jimmy wilde and jose napoles but why?

Everybody knows pacs one of the best that ever lived

if he fought 50 60 years ago u would rank him number 1

its just that hes fighting today and not appreciated!

[Chups]

4 lineal titles (Almost unbreakable)
3 fighters of the year (only 4 others has achieved this)
2000-2009 Fighter of the decade (Only 6 other fighters have achieved this)
Has beaten 6 HOF. (after he beats Mosley)
Flyweight titlist to Junior Middleweight titlist

[Barn]

4 lineal titles (Almost unbreakable)
3 fighters of the year (only 4 others has achieved this)
2000-2009 Fighter of the decade (Only 6 other fighters have achieved this)
Has beaten 6 HOF. (after he beats Mosley)
Flyweight titlist to Junior Middleweight titlist

6HOF, people like Harry Greb have beaten 18.

[Barn]

Pacs top 10/15 .. you got cats like jimmy wilde and jose napoles but why?

Everybody knows pacs one of the best that ever lived

if he fought 50 60 years ago u would rank him number 1

its just that hes fighting today and not appreciated!

Jimmy Wilde fought people that were a Stone and a half heavier almost every fight and still dominated them.

[Barn]

Isn't that also misleading, though?

Floyd Mayweather has over 10 wins over top 5 fighters in the weight class he fought them in at the time he fought them. Across 5 weight classes.

Yet is he a top 25 ATG? Not even remotely close.

Would you consider Mayweather to be ranked higher than Jofre by the same logic you rank Pacqiuao over Jofre?

I'm just saying. "Top ranked comp" can also be misleading.

If he moves up to MW gets a win over the likes of Sergio, beats Floyd Mayweather, maybe sticks around for a few defences, then we can start talking Top 20.

What you guys don't realise, people like Barney Ross.

Barney Ross, beat McLarlinx2 and Canzonerix2 both were the Floyd equivalent of that era.

See what I'm getting at, yes his weightclass jump is superb and warrants him around 35 at the moment but, he needs that BIG win in Mayweather to Get Top 30 and if he moves up to middle and beats Sergio we can start talking about, Top 25 possibly higher depending on how he deos it.

[Bull24]

6HOF, people like Harry Greb have beaten 18.

Many of the people Pacquiao beat are going to the HOF, they are not elgible because many of them are still fighting.