How Many Of You Rate, Louis Over Ali?

[StarshipTrooper]

Proof Joe Louis beats Wlad

Joe Louis def Jersey Joe Walcott
Jersey Joe walcott def Joey Maxim
Joey Maxim def Patterson
Patterson def Quarry
Quarry def Shavers
Shavers def Young
Young def Foreman
Foreman def Moorer
Moorer def Holyfield
Holyfield def Tyson
Tyson def Etieten
Einteine def Brewster
Brewster def Wlad Klitschko

Proof Joe Louis beats Wlad Klitschko:

Wlad got waxed by Ross ****ing Purrity. End of story.

Poet

[studentofthegam]

Holmes?

i take Holmes over Louis all day. Call me troll if you like. Louis is number 4 or five with me. And I dont really care for him but cant deny his greatness.

[Barn]

i take Holmes over Louis all day. Call me troll if you like. Louis is number 4 or five with me. And I dont really care for him but cant deny his greatness.

Can you explain furhter please.

[IronDanHamza]

Can you explain furhter please.

I would like an explanation for having Holmes over Louis also, please.

[studentofthegam]

Can you explain furhter please.

For starters I think Holmes kicks his ass. Though its been constantly ridiculed I have to match great fighters up in my head and it holds almost equal weight to resume and titles to me. Holmes had no weaknesses with any type of fighter. He could really box and or fight. He fought almost thirty years and was never without a chance. I may be unfair to Louis because of the change in the game but Holmes had a lot of tough comp and was a Micheal Spinks away from sealing himself as the unquestioned GOAT. Louis has a lot of numbers that make him great but when I compare his skills to the best they dont seem to add up to GOAT for me. I also got Holyfield at 3 which is a little more heart than head because I grew up on him, but not to the verge of insanity.

[IronDanHamza]

For starters I think Holmes kicks his ass. Though its been constantly ridiculed I have to match great fighters up in my head and it holds almost equal weight to resume and titles to me. Holmes had no weaknesses with any type of fighter. He could really box and or fight. He fought almost thirty years and was never without a chance. I may be unfair to Louis because of the change in the game but Holmes had a lot of tough comp and was a Micheal Spinks away from sealing himself as the unquestioned GOAT. Louis has a lot of numbers that make him great but when I compare his skills to the best they dont seem to add up to GOAT for me. I also got Holyfield at 3 which is a little more heart than head because I grew up on him, but not to the verge of insanity.

So you're just going to dismiss the fact Louis has an utterly superior resume, then?

Resume is more important than skills and head to head match ups when ranking a fighters greatness.

[Barn]

For starters I think Holmes kicks his ass. Though its been constantly ridiculed I have to match great fighters up in my head and it holds almost equal weight to resume and titles to me. Holmes had no weaknesses with any type of fighter. He could really box and or fight. He fought almost thirty years and was never without a chance. I may be unfair to Louis because of the change in the game but Holmes had a lot of tough comp and was a Micheal Spinks away from sealing himself as the unquestioned GOAT. Louis has a lot of numbers that make him great but when I compare his skills to the best they dont seem to add up to GOAT for me. I also got Holyfield at 3 which is a little more heart than head because I grew up on him, but not to the verge of insanity.

Underlined, same can be said for Louis.

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Watch other fights that the Marciano one

Ermmm, yes. That would be 25 defences without losing.

[studentofthegam]

Underlined, same can be said for Louis.

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Watch other fights that the Marciano one

Ermmm, yes. That would be 25 defences without losing.

Thats why its all opinion. Dont **** on Holyfield now. LOL. If we want to do numbers then I dont think 48 straight wins is anything to sneeze at. He went threw the fire of the fading greats and shock the new guys. As far as resume he has one of the best of all time. Ive seen more than Marciano. If I was gonna give him a pass on any fight it would be that fight. Like I said he's a great fighter but I dont think he was ahead of his time. As a matter of fact I think a guy that he beat was in Walcott. But Ive always felt the same about "The Brown Bomber".

[Steak]

who they beat is more important than the number of guys they beat. Holmes almost went undefeated in 49 fights, yea, but reality is not even half of those fights were against quality fighters in the division. If you look over Louis' title run in detail, youll see that he defeated a ridiculous amount of top competition over his unbeaten streak.

in fact, the list can be found in this thread.
Lee Rampage - No. 10
Patsy Perroni - No. 6
Natie Brown - No. 10
Primo Carnera - No. 4
King Levinsky - No. 10
Max Baer - No. 1
Charley Retzlaff - No. 4
Max Schmeling - No. 2 - LOSS
Jack Sharkey - No. 4
Al Ettore - No. 3
James Braddock - World Champion
Tommy Farr - No. 3
Nathan Mann - No. 3
Max Schmeling - No. 1
John Henry Lewis - World Champion at Light-Heavyweight
Tony Galento - No. 3
Bob Pastor - No. 2
Johnny Paychek - No. 5
Arturo Godoy (2) - No. 1
Red Burman - No. 4
Buddy Baer - No. 5
Billy Conn - World Champion at Light-Heavyweight
Lou Nova - No. 1
Buddy Baer - No. 4
Abe Simon - No. 6
Billy Conn - No. 1
Tami Mauriello - No. 1
Jersey Joe Walcott - No. 1
Jersey Joe Walcott - No. 1
Ezzard Charles - World Champion - LOSS
Lee Savold - No. 4
Cesar Brion - No. 8
Rocky Marciano - No. 3 - LOSS

in other words, 30 quality wins over top contenders.

Holmes doesnt have nearly as much, I dont think he even reaches 20.

[fitefanSHO]

Ali > Louis

But only because a young Louis was stopped by Schmeling.

Nobody ever whooped a young Ali like that.

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Marciano