Old Timer vs Modern

[NChristo]

oh ok.. i will take Brown out of the equation and start all over again for you in the morning and add Terry McGovern, Pete Herman or George Dixon and will make sure that there is at least 100yrs between each fighter's career and that fights are fought over 45 rounds out-doors, 5oz horse hair gloves, no turn-buckle and draw the color line. ok

You flatter me, you'd do all that for me ?.


But really, no need for the sarcasm, you said old timers vs modern and chose 2 boxers who were 15 years apart, not my fault. I did say it was a good match up but oh well, you don't have to do all that though, maybe use common sense and put Ruben Olivares or Carlos Zarate or anyone else you can think of that might be more "modern".



Enough ****ery and I'll get back to my question, what's your take on the fights you mentioned. ?

[sonnyboyx2]

You flatter me, you'd do all that for me ?.


But really, no need to be a sarcastic ****, you said old timers vs modern and chose 2 boxers who were 15 years apart, not my fault. I did say it was a good match up but oh well, you don't have to do all that though, maybe use common sense and put Ruben Olivares or Carlos Zarate or anyone else you can think of that might be more "modern".



Enough fuckery and I'll get back to my question, what's your take on the fights you mentioned. ?

Olivares & Zarate was fighting at the same time as Jofre

[Joeyzagz]

Marvin Hagler vs Harry Greb - 160lbs
Bob Foster vs Sam Langford - 175lbs
Jack Johnson vs Lennox Lewis - 200lbs+
Willie Pep vs Manny Pacquiao - 126lbs
Ray Leonard vs Henry Armstrong - 147lbs
Ricardo Lopez vs Jimmy Wilde - 105lbs
Benny Leonard vs Roberto Duran - 135lbs


Oldtimers 4

recent era 3

[Scott9945]

Like everyone else who regular post in the History section i have a love for the fighters from the early half of the last century, but how would they fare against modern greats in a head2head match up of the 8 weight classes, so thought i would throw a few hypothetical fights at you to see what your opinions are with all fighters being at their ultimate prime in 15rd bouts fought at Madison Square Garden with referee for all bouts Arthur Mercante :

Marvin Hagler vs Harry Greb - 160lbs
Bob Foster vs Sam Langford - 175lbs
Jack Johnson vs Lennox Lewis - 200lbs+
Willie Pep vs Manny Pacquiao - 126lbs
Ray Leonard vs Henry Armstrong - 147lbs
Ricardo Lopez vs Jimmy Wilde - 105lbs
Panama Al Brown vs Eder Jofre - 118lbs
Benny Leonard vs Roberto Duran - 135lbs

Lets Get Ready To Rumble............

Greb
Langford
Johnson
Pep
Leonard
Wilde
Jofre
Duran

[katsidis]

Marvin Hagler vs Harry Greb - 160lbs
Close one, but i'll pick Greb

Bob Foster vs Sam Langford - 175lbs
Langford KO

Jack Johnson vs Lennox Lewis - 200lbs+
Lewis KO
Willie Pep vs Manny Pacquiao - 126lbs
Pacquiao by razor thin decision
Ray Leonard vs Henry Armstrong - 147lbs
Ray Leonard
Ricardo Lopez vs Jimmy Wilde - 105lbs
Too close to call

Panama Al Brown vs Eder Jofre - 118lbs
Jofre

Benny Leonard vs Roberto Duran - 135lbs
Duran

[Barn]

Marvin Hagler vs Harry Greb - 160lbs
Close one, but i'll pick Greb

Bob Foster vs Sam Langford - 175lbs
Langford KO

Jack Johnson vs Lennox Lewis - 200lbs+
Lewis KO
Willie Pep vs Manny Pacquiao - 126lbs
Pacquiao by razor thin decision
Ray Leonard vs Henry Armstrong - 147lbs
Ray Leonard
Ricardo Lopez vs Jimmy Wilde - 105lbs
Too close to call

Panama Al Brown vs Eder Jofre - 118lbs
Jofre

Benny Leonard vs Roberto Duran - 135lbs
Duran

How would he manage that?

[SBleeder]

Surprised to see so many people picking SRL over Henry Armstrong. IMO Armstrong wins that one relatively easily.

[Kid McCoy]

Much as I like Hagler, he's facing a guy who has dealt with everything he could throw at him many times before. Nothing Marvin faced could prepare him for Greb. Marvin has a good shot at beating anyone at 160 but I have to go with the greater fighter here. Greb UD.

Foster had a bad style for heavyweights. He lacked the punch to hurt a top heavyweight and couldn't take heavyweight punches. The best heavies he faced all beat him, usually by KO. Sam on the other hand was starching full-fledged heavyweights when weighing as much as Foster. Langford by KO.

Lewis' weakness is to hard punchers but I don't see Johnson in that bracket. I think Johnson's negative style costs him here, like against Hart. Lewis by UD in a snoozer.

Pep was a career feather and Manny is a natural 140lber who never had to weigh 126 in the ring. Pep would box rings around the raw, lesser Pacquiao who could make 126 on fight night. Best to best under modern conditions with Pac able to rehydrate up to the 140s, I think he'd overwhelm Pep.

Leonard could be too much here for a guy who was only ever a small welter and was probably at his best at 135. Hank has the tools to pull a Duran on Leonard but more often than not I say Leonard beats him. Leonard UD.

Wilde KO'd much larger men than Lopez who never strayed above 108. Wilde with a come-from-behind KO.

Brown was a great fighter but I can't see what he does better than Jofre. Jofre by UD.

Leonard did have some durability issues and could be hurt and dropped throughout his career. He could out-box Duran but at some point Duran lands a bomb and when he does he finishes the job. Duran by late TKO.


I don't see any of this as about moderns vs old-timers. It's about styles, ability and how their individual strengths and weaknesses match-up.