What Is The Biggest Duck Of All Time?

[sonnyboyx2]

When exactly did Foreman duck Holmes? There was talk of them meeting in 1976 but Holmes got injured, although it's doubtful whether King and Holmes' team would have fancied risking him against Foreman at that point. Then Foreman retired for ten years, so he was hardly ducking Holmes while he was preaching and eating cheeseburgers and had not the slightest interest in boxing. Finally they were scheduled to meet in the late 90s, only for the finances to fall through.

Biggest duck? Jack Johnson's refusal, absolute refusal, to give Sam Langford a title shot.

Jack Johnson had already hammered Sam Langford and when Johnson told Langford & his manager to put up the money for him to fight for the title they baulked.. i know you are a huge fan of Langford as i am myself but lets be honest here Langford stood little hope of beating Jack Johnson after the terrible beating he took from Jack in their fight.

[sonnyboyx2]

Lennox retired with his brains, his title, and his money. You can't ask for a better role model for other fighters than that.

Lewis was stripped of the WBA belt for refusing to fight No1 contender John Ruiz with Lewis fighting Frans Botha instead.

Lewis was stripped of the IBF title for refusing to fight No1 contender Chris Byrd.

Lewis priced himself out of fighting Rid**** Bowe in 1993 and turned down a career highest payday to fight Bowe in 1995.

[Greatest1942]

Jack Johnson had already hammered Sam Langford and when Johnson told Langford & his manager to put up the money for him to fight for the title they baulked.. i know you are a huge fan of Langford as i am myself but lets be honest here Langford stood little hope of beating Jack Johnson after the terrible beating he took from Jack in their fight.

There has been hundreds of post to you telling the circumstances of that fight. Jack ducked Sam and not the other way round? Are you ******ed that you cannot understand plain Logic or do you want to hear or read how jack ducked Sam actually? Why are you so plain biased man...your ignorance along with arrogance is sickening. You don't read but come up with bull**** all the time. I had already posted every detail of how Sam was ducked by Jack Johnson. Even the Sam - Jeanette fight was held to be the world championship because of his ducking.

Johnson hammered a 156 lbs of Langford. Still could not Ko him weighing 30 pounds more. Some achievment When Sam filled up and got over 170 he would not fight him, and blatantly ducked him..READ SOME BOOKS, every now and then , instead of links

BOOKS>>>>>>>>Google

[sonnyboyx2]

There has been hundreds of post to you telling the circumstances of that fight. Jack ducked Sam and not the other way round? Are you ******ed that you cannot understand plain Logic or do you want to hear or read how jack ducked Sam actually? Why are you so plain biased man...your ignorance along with arrogance is sickening. You don't read but come up with bull**** all the time. I had already posted every detail of how Sam was ducked by Jack Johnson. Even the Sam - Jeanette fight was held to be the world championship because of his ducking.

Johnson hammered a 156 lbs of Langford. Still could not Ko him weighing 30 pounds more. Some achievment When Sam filled up and got over 170 he would not fight him, and blatantly ducked him..READ SOME BOOKS, every now and then , instead of links

BOOKS>>>>>>>>Google

put up some links to varify your claims... i have read dozens of books on Langford from as far back as when a boy some 45yrs ago and can clearly recall that Johnson gave Sam a terrifying beating and Johnson weighed around 185lbs to Sam's 160lbs the bout was so one-sided that Sam never deserved a shot at the Heavyweight title, Sam would put adverts in newspapers claiming he would fight any fighter with the exception of heavyweight champion of the world Jim Jeffries yet when Johnson became champion some years later Langford and his then manager shouted for Johnson to face Sam and Johnson called their bluff telling them to put up $20,000 but they baulked.

[Sugarj]

Holmes was never in a position to face Foreman and would have been destroyed should they ever have fought in the 70s, Holmes was always suspect to a right-hand over the jab (Roy Williams, Kevin Issacs, Weaver, Snipes, Arrington, Tyson, Shavers) Foreman was a devastating puncher.

If Young could go the distance and sc**** a decision win with 1977 Foreman, I think Holmes could go one better. Holmes was everything Young was plus some......as you well know.

Remember too, that Holmes would be better prepared for Foreman than Snipes, Shavers, Issacs or Williams. He was pretty useful in 1977 and showed much better caution and skill in fights he was really up for.

Admittedly, any earlier than 1977 and Holmes would have been too 'green'.

[NChristo]

Not the biggest duck of all time but Hugo Corro stayed away from Hagler for quite a long time.

[sonnyboyx2]

Not the biggest duck of all time but Hugo Corro stayed away from Hagler for quite a long time.

nice call....

[Kid McCoy]

Some serious denial going on here. And Holmes ducked Page. Straight up. Frazier fight was worth more money. Easy choice to make. George didn't really duck Holmes for better financial choices, just better legacy ones, as he was obviously going to lose.

Foreman ducking Holmes comes down to his inability to deal with technical boxing.

So when did Foreman duck Holmes? I've already named two points in their prime and in their 40s when Foreman was willing to meet Holmes, only for them to fall through. Not fighting someone is not the same as ducking them.

You don't think the fact that Page was a considerably bigger threat than Frazier had something to do with Holmes' choice? Remember he had a tough go with Tim Witherspoon earlier that year (and didn't rematch him either). I do rate Holmes highly, but I think he was picking his fights carefully towards the end of his reign.

Jack Johnson had already hammered Sam Langford and when Johnson told Langford & his manager to put up the money for him to fight for the title they baulked.. i know you are a huge fan of Langford as i am myself but lets be honest here Langford stood little hope of beating Jack Johnson after the terrible beating he took from Jack in their fight.

Yeah, when Langford was 20 years old and weighed about 150lbs. When Sam had put on about 20lbs of muscle and was beating just about every top heavyweight who would face him Johnson had no interest in the fight: "I'm the first black champion and I'm going to be the last".

Throughout his title reign Johnson was repeatedly offered big money to face Langford. The National Sporting Club of England loaned Johnson the money to chase Burns to Australia on the proviso that he fight Langford in London should he win. Johnson won and reneged. He signed to fight Langford in London in 1909 only to then pull out, a move which got him widely criticized. Hugh McKintosh made Johnson a series of offers to fight Langford in Australia (in the region of $50,000, comparable to what he got from the Jeffries fight).

Johnson said he would fight Langford for $30,000. McKintosh matched that offer and Johnson upped his demand to $40,000. Again McKintosh matched that offer and again Johnson didn't accept.

[CarlosG815]

oh so u consider a "Calzaghe vs. RJJ fight" thingy a legitimate fight?? Thats like Evander Holyfield looking for a final paydays on the twilight of their career...GTFO

I don't see the correlation. Roy was totally shot. Are you saying that Duran was shot in his second fight with Leonard? I agree he wasn't at his best but that was his own fault. Which part of Leonards career is suspect to you? Please break it down for me because I'm not getting it.

[CarlosG815]

There is so much more involved than the fans opinion who who should have fought who, and when. Back on the old AOL boards I hated Lewis but have since changed my opinion. He was a great champion and a smart businessman. Look hard enough and every fighter ever can be criticized.

Jab looking at his resume I see nobody on there who was a top contender and at their peak when they fought Lewis. I see many big names who were washed up or shot though and that puts a black cloud on his legacy and career, factor in that he was KO'd very early in a couple fights and it puts an even bigger cloud. I don't see anybody on his resume who was even remotely good.