Rank these hw's H2H

[Toney616]

The opponents:
Ali, Lewis, Tyson, Foreman, Liston, Holyfield, Holmes, Bowe, Witherspoon, Vitali
So far I have
Tyson: loses to Foreman, Holmes, Liston(3)
Liston: loses to Ali(1)
Ali: loses to Holmes, Witherspoon, Tyson(3)
Foreman: loses to Holmes, Ali, Liston (3)

Responses welcome

[SonnyboyReturns]

Tyson: loses to Foreman, Liston, Ali, Holmes. (4)
Liston: Loses to Ali (1)
Foreman: Loses to Ali (1)
Vitali : loses to Ali, Foreman, Liston, Holmes, Lewis (prime) (5)

[Toney616]

Tyson: loses to Foreman, Liston, Ali, Holmes. (4)
Liston: Loses to Ali (1)
Foreman: Loses to Ali (1)
Vitali : loses to Ali, Foreman, Liston, Holmes, Lewis (prime) (5)

Why do you think Ali beats Tyson? I can see Holmes doing it after his masterful performance against Shavers, in which he never had to resort to clinching as a tactic.With Ali it would depend on whether he would be allowed to clinch or not

[Toney616]

Of course he'll be allowed to clinch, but he won't need to.

Some refs like Nady wouldnt allow him to clinch at will, it is technically illegal after all.

Instead using his fast feet and accurate jab to keep Tyson at distance.

I think Tyson ****s him up when they get up close, which he would eventually do at points in the fight

[frankenfrank]

The opponents:
Ali, Lewis, Tyson, Foreman, Liston, Holyfield, Holmes, Bowe, Liston, Witherspoon, Vitali
So far I have
Tyson: loses to Foreman, Holmes, Liston(3)
Liston: loses to Ali(1)
Ali: loses to Holmes, Witherspoon, Tyson(3)
Foreman: loses to Holmes, Ali, Liston (3)

Responses welcome

Tyson : (0) could lose to Lewis , Foreman , Holyfield , Bowe , Vitali.
Liston : loses to Ali , Lewis , Tyson , Foreman , Holyfield , Bowe , Vitali (7)
could also lose to Holmes and Witherspoon
Ali : loses to Lewis , Tyson , Foreman , Vitali (4)
could also win against Lewis and could also lose against Holyfield and
Bowe
Foreman : (0) could also lose against Tyson and Vitali

[Barn]

Tyson : (0) could lose to Lewis , Foreman , Holyfield , Bowe , Vitali.
Liston : loses to Ali , Lewis , Tyson , Foreman , Holyfield , Bowe , Vitali (7)
could also lose to Holmes and Witherspoon
Ali : loses to Lewis , Tyson , Foreman , Vitali (4)
could also win against Lewis and could also lose against Holyfield and
Bowe
Foreman : (0) could also lose against Tyson and Vitali

I strongly disagree with your Ali predictions, first off I think that ali would be way to fast for the slow Klitchko.
Ali has already beat Foreman when he was not even in his prime that's the thing about
Ali as much as I didn't like the guy, he ALWAYS found a way and this would make him a very difficult opponent for any fighter ever.

Ali would also be way to fast and agile for the flat footed Lennox Lewis and would win an easy UD.

I also think Ali would wear Tyson down over the course of the fight for a 7th round KO because, Tyson would try and decimate Ali and when that won't work because of the elusiveness of Ali he would get frustrated and forget all the fundamentals and get grinded down.

I also diagree with a lot of your opinions on Liston the only people I see beating him are Ali, Foreman and possible Larry Homes in a Split Decision.

That's just my opinion, you are entitled to yours.

[frankenfrank]

I strongly disagree with your Ali predictions, first off I think that ali would be way to fast for the slow Klitchko.
Ali has already beat Foreman when he was not even in his prime

The ropes , the heat and the holding and heating behind the head beat Foreman , and who knows ? maybe there were more reasons .
After all it was not the only Ali fight which had dirty stories/controversy underlying it.

that's the thing about
Ali as much as I didn't like the guy, he ALWAYS found a way

Did he find the way against Norton , Frazier or Doug Jones ?

and this would make him a very difficult opponent for any fighter ever.

Lewis , Tyson , Vitali and Holyfield were no Dog Jones/Joe Frazier/Ken Norton.

Ali would also be way to fast and agile for the flat footed Lennox Lewis and would win an easy UD.

So Norton outdanced Ali ?

I also think Ali would wear Tyson down over the course of the fight for a 7th round KO

To wear Tyson down means to be able to take his punches , or to be so big that it is hard for Tyson to land anything , or a combination of parts of these 2. Holyfield took his punches , Douglas took some (barely) but then he was big enough to make Tyson work hard to land enough and flush significant punches .

because, Tyson would try and decimate Ali and when that won't work because of the elusiveness of Ali he would get frustrated and forget all the fundamentals and get grinded down.

Then why didn't it happen to Norton , Frazier and Doug Jones ?
Why didn't it even happen to Earnie Shavers ?

I also diagree with a lot of your opinions on Liston the only people I see beating him are Ali, Foreman and possible Larry Homes in a Split Decision.

That's just my opinion, you are entitled to yours.

Actually if there is anyone of the above Liston could beat , it was Larry Holmes. Liston is extremely overrated , who did he ever beat ? Floyd Patterson ? Zora "(can't make it to the final) Bell" Folley ? or was it the SD over a previously fractured nosed Johnny Summerlin ? or maybe Marty Marshall ? Evander Holyfield would have taken him as a tune up .

[Toney616]

Tyson : (0) could lose to Lewis , Foreman , Holyfield , Bowe , Vitali.

Lewis? How does that fight play out?
Foreman: I can see that playing out like Foreman-Qawi
Bowe: I dont know about that I think that fight is 50/50
Vitali:Im not sure, how do you think that plays out?

Liston : loses to Ali , Lewis , Tyson , Foreman , Holyfield , Bowe , Vitali (7)
could also lose to Holmes and Witherspoon

Cmon Dude, now you are just trolling. The only guy on that list who could beat Liston is Ali(Proven)
Lewis had a hard time with Bruno, how on earth is he going to beat Liston?
Tyson: Liston had a tight defense, plus his piston jab and left and right hooks. If his fast enough to hit Patterson, his fast enough to hit Tyson as well. Im not sure if he used the uppercut, does anyone here know?

Ali : loses to Lewis , Tyson , Foreman , Vitali (4)
could also win against Lewis and could also lose against Holyfield and
Bowe

The only guys I see on that list giving Ali a hard time are Holmes, Witherspoon and Tyson
Tyson=Improved Frazier
Witherspoon=Improved Norton
Holmes=Almost as good as Ali, maybe equal

Foreman : (0) could also lose against Tyson and Vitali

I cant see that happening. Care to explain?

[Die Antwoord]

Lewis? How does that fight play out?
Foreman: I can see that playing out like Foreman-Qawi
Bowe: I dont know about that I think that fight is 50/50
Vitali:Im not sure, how do you think that plays out?

Cmon Dude, now you are just trolling. The only guy on that list who could beat Liston is Ali(Proven)
Lewis had a hard time with Bruno, how on earth is he going to beat Liston?
Tyson: Liston had a tight defense, plus his piston jab and left and right hooks. If his fast enough to hit Patterson, his fast enough to hit Tyson as well. Im not sure if he used the uppercut, does anyone here know?

The only guys I see on that list giving Ali a hard time are Holmes, Witherspoon and Tyson
Tyson=Improved Frazier
Witherspoon=Improved Norton
Holmes=Almost as good as Ali, maybe equal

I cant see that happening. Care to explain?

tyson would lose to Lewis the same way he lost to Lewis, he would struggle to get inside...quick Tyson quote, "Its hard getting inside on the big guys." He would eat too many power punhces on his way in. He'd get frustrated and quit or he would struggle to a unanimous defeat.

I think Tyson beats Bowe but has the same problem with foreman and Vitali. Bowe just never proved anything to me, I dont know when his prime was, and I dont know if he would be capable of fighting Tyson smart.
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Liston never fought anyone over 225 lbs. He only fought one person over 215. How do you know how he'd fair against a super heavy? So to say someones trolling for saying a person bigger and stronger than anyone Liston ever faced would beat him? Listons jab would look sweet, until its not a 6 foot tall 184 pounder coming at him. What does Bruno have to do with liston? Besides being...I dont know 20 lbs bigger, 3 inches taller and fighting totally different...Lewis KO'ed Bruno. I dont get it. Liston had a hard time with marty Marshall and lost to him...hows he going to beat Lewis?

Quick question...who has a piston like jab, a chin further away, the same amount of KO losses, and a much better right than Liston? You guessed it Wlad Klitschko. So I guess you think Wlad rips tyson apart then.

And of course young Foreman loses to vitali, he couldnt keep up with Vitali's stamina and Vitali aint being knocked down by no man. Vitali at 39 cant be knocked down. Foreman just tires himself trying to go punch for punch with big Vit and then Vit pushes him over in the 8th. Prime Foreman was very similar to young Wlad, big puncher, fought a fealess fight without anythought behind it. Vitali wuold rip apart young Wlad.

[frankenfrank]

Lewis? How does that fight play out?
Foreman: I can see that playing out like Foreman-Qawi
Bowe: I dont know about that I think that fight is 50/50
Vitali:Im not sure, how do you think that plays out?

Cmon Dude, now you are just trolling. The only guy on that list who could beat Liston is Ali(Proven)
Lewis had a hard time with Bruno, how on earth is he going to beat Liston?
Tyson: Liston had a tight defense, plus his piston jab and left and right hooks. If his fast enough to hit Patterson, his fast enough to hit Tyson as well. Im not sure if he used the uppercut, does anyone here know?

The only guys I see on that list giving Ali a hard time are Holmes, Witherspoon and Tyson
Tyson=Improved Frazier
Witherspoon=Improved Norton
Holmes=Almost as good as Ali, maybe equal

I cant see that happening. Care to explain?

Why r u trying 2 argue even when I m close 2 your opinion ?
Even when I post (0) which means I tend to favor the fighter will win instead of lose .

Lewis may have always keep Tyson at range and either hold or uppercut when Tyson tries to come closer. But then Tyson could have brutalized Lewis with elbows and hooks after dodging or/and absorbing some of the punches , or clinch himself if hurt.

Foreman never faced a skilled , in shape fighter bigger than himself .
Lewis was somewhat bigger than Foreman , skilled almost to the max and relatively in shape.

Lewis did not struggle against Bruno , what a ****** myth , I watched the fight , nothing unusual , he struggled much more against a 39 years old Holyfield .

Vitali could have beat Foreman and Tyson using his usual game , maybe getting tagged a few times in the process , but getting through .
But then Foreman is one of the few who stood a realistic chance at stopping Vitali and Tyson may have brutalized him too.

Tyson was significantly taller than Qawi , was stronger and in a much better shape and stamina than the overweight 230 lbs spastic Qawi who made Foreman look so bad , although it was a far from prime Foreman also .
Qawi barely reached Foreman due to these factors , Tyson could have reached him more often , quicker and with a much better leverage due to these reasons .

When you watch these Liston fights come back to me with more claims about his greatness : Mart Marshall 1 , Johnny Summerlin 1,2 , Cassius Clay 1,2 (those you probably did) .

And I really doubt if Witherspoon was even an improved Norton , you overrate him way too much I notice.