My Top Ten Greatest Heavyweight Champs Of All Time!

[Jim Jeffries]

Yeah, he finally said something that makes sense. LOL J/K

Yawn..... I'm still waiting on a post from you that does.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Yawn..... I'm still waiting on a post from you that does.

They don't make sense to you because you have a very limited understanding of our beloved sport.

[butterfly1964]

I think Ali would have the fight won before they ever entered the ring.

Wrong!!!!!

[Hawkins]

Wrong!!!!!

Well if I'm wrong elaborate.

[butterfly1964]

Well if I'm wrong elaborate.

It just rediculous that someone who was himself known for winning fights before they started would be on the recieving end of that scenario. It's just not going to happen.

[Hawkins]

It just rediculous that someone who was himself known for winning fights before they started would be on the recieving end of that scenario. It's just not going to happen.

There is a huge difference between Mike's intimidation and Ali's psychological warfare. Mike Tyson won fights before they were fought based solely on his reputation whereas Ali got into his opponents head with his antics and the things he said.

The first Liston fight is the prime example. It's the same principal. Ali got into his head so badly that he was totally psyched out before the bell rang. The same would happen to Tyson. Anyone knows Tyson wasn't strong in a mental aspect and Ali would exploit to the maximum.

[butterfly1964]

There is a huge difference between Mike's intimidation and Ali's psychological warfare. Mike Tyson won fights before they were fought based solely on his reputation whereas Ali got into his opponents head with his antics and the things he said.

The first Liston fight is the prime example. It's the same principal. Ali got into his head so badly that he was totally psyched out before the bell rang. The same would happen to Tyson. Anyone knows Tyson wasn't strong in a mental aspect and Ali would exploit to the maximum.

I don't Liston was beaten before the bell rang. In fact Liston thought he had Clay beaten before the fight started. He was just suprised because of the vast improvement Clay showed as a fighter in the previous 7 months. That had nothing to do with Ali's "mind games". Remember many thought Tyson was gonna succumb to the pressure of fighting Spinks, but we all know what happened. I think Ali would berat Tyson, but because of his fighting ability, not because of "mind games".

[Hawkins]

I don't Liston was beaten before the bell rang. In fact Liston thought he had Clay beaten before the fight started. He was just suprised because of the vast improvement Clay showed as a fighter in the previous 7 months. That had nothing to do with Ali's "mind games". Remember many thought Tyson was gonna succumb to the pressure of fighting Spinks, but we all know what happened. I think Ali would berat Tyson, but because of his fighting ability, not because of "mind games".

For someone who is supposedly full of Ali 'knowledge' you totally underestimate one of the greatest tools in his arsenal. Go and read of the accounts of the Ali/Liston fight and all the things the happened during the buildup to the fight. Ali achieved two of objectives -

One he totally got into Sonny Liston's head and make Sonny want to absolutely kill him. Sonny wasn't focused on boxing Ali, he wanted to tear his head off.

Two, Sonny Liston actually thought Ali was crazy because of all of his antics. This placed a huge doubt in Liston's frame of mind.

Plus, you have to take into effect Ali's constant trash talking in the ring. Tyson would be defeated before the bell rang because he would be focused on trying to murder Ali. Mike Tyson would be supremely exposed to this kind of tactic because, to put it mildly, he is a mental and emotional midget in alot of aspects.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

....read of the accounts of the Ali/Liston fight and all the things the happened during the buildup to the fight. Ali achieved two of objectives -

One he totally got into Sonny Liston's head and make Sonny want to absolutely kill him. Sonny wasn't focused on boxing Ali, he wanted to tear his head off.

Two, Sonny Liston actually thought Ali was crazy because of all of his antics. This placed a huge doubt in Liston's frame of mind.

Plus, you have to take into effect Ali's constant trash talking in the ring. Tyson would be defeated before the bell rang because he would be focused on trying to murder Ali. Mike Tyson would be supremely exposed to this kind of tactic because, to put it mildly, he is a mental and emotional midget in alot of aspects.

Yeah, I've heard people say Liston thought Ali was crazy but this is all opinion not fact right? Also, Liston didn't fight like a raging bull off his game plan and expending too much energy. I do feel Ali's tactics before his fights sometimes worked in his favor but what about Frazier. I think this "hatred" (or whatever you want to call it) worked against Ali. Frazier because of this was willing to die in that ring or at least it pushed him to his limits. Frazier on the other hand never fought Ali like an idiot out of control. I'm not saying Tyson would have beat Ali, but seriously doubt Ali's tactics before a fight with Tyson would have been an advantage. It was Tyson's rage that helped make him the ultimate killing machine in his prime. But of coarse this is where the Douglas and Holyfield BS usually comes in as a pathetically weak defense. LOL

[Hawkins]

Yeah, I've heard people say Liston thought Ali was crazy but this is all opinion not fact right? Also, Liston didn't fight like a raging bull off his game plan and expending too much energy. I do feel Ali's tactics before his fights sometimes worked in his favor but what about Frazier. I think this "hatred" (or whatever you want to call it) worked against Ali. Frazier because of this was willing to die in that ring or at least it pushed him to his limits. Frazier on the other hand never fought Ali like an idiot out of control. I'm not saying Tyson would have beat Ali, but seriously doubt Ali's tactics before a fight with Tyson would have been an advantage. It was Tyson's rage that helped make him the ultimate killing machine in his prime. But of coarse this is where the Douglas and Holyfield BS usually comes in as a pathetically weak defense. LOL

Well I made the comparison because Liston, and you could argue a case for Foreman too, were fighters similar to Tyson in that they relied heavily on their intimidation. Plus, I think Liston and Foreman were mentally stronger than Mike. Frazier is a whole different ballgame, he may fight similar to Tyson but otherwise they are on a different level.

I made the comparison because Ali would likely use his mindgames to manipulate Tyson. He would get in his head and put Tyson in the frame of mind to murder Ali, letting his anger get the better of him. Tyson always fought with this sort of controlled fury, I just think Ali would turn the tables.

Plus factor in all the things he would be saying to Tyson in the ring. I truly think it would go down like a Foreman or Liston fight with Ali totally breaking Tyson's will.