Why Rocchigianni was stripped of his title.

[JK1700]

I read a story in BILD that DM has wasted over 30M euros or something. Mostly due to a divorce as mentioned but also from a life in the fast lane. The numbers are mindboggling.

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Most fighters think that the money will always be coming in so they spend and never think about tomorrow, Tyson and Holyfield come to mind

I think it's because alot of boxers arent very smart in what they do out of the ring. Some are, but the majority of them arent and that's why alot of them end up broke. There's alot of temptation's that come with earning alot of money and it can lead into all kinds of problems such as drugs (Nunn, Calzaghe, Whitaker) among other things. But there are still alot of ways for them to earn money outside of boxing, If someone like Manny Pacquiao ran out of money but then wrote a book and made a film about himself then he would get loads of income from it. But alot of people just dont think like that and keep fighting when they dont need to or blow their money without putting anything in place for the future.

But we must not forget that there are alot of boxers who work very intelligently with their money and invest it for the future. Obviously Oscar De La Hoya has laid the blueprint with Golden Boy Promotions and other fighters such as Floyd Mayweather wil continue to do the same.

[Toney616]

But we must not forget that there are alot of boxers who work very intelligently with their money and invest it for the future. Obviously Oscar De La Hoya has laid the blueprint with Golden Boy Promotions and other fighters such as Floyd Mayweather wil continue to do the same.

Im not so sure about that, I read that Floyd's pretty reckless with his money as well

[JK1700]

Im not so sure about that, I read that Floyd's pretty reckless with his money as well

lol. People are always coming up with rumors..

He is much more sensible now than he was a few years ago, When I mentioned "The Blueprint" I meant Mayweather Promotions. He will make alot of money from Mayweather promotions like Oscar is doing with Golden Boy. Maybe not to the same extent but it will still bring him alot of money when he finally hangs up the gloves.

[Dynamite Kid]

This is a reply to the other Rocchigianni thread. I cannot answer there since I'm on his iggy list for some reason.

From boxrec:

Roy Jones done some disgraceful things, check this out to........



Hiding behind his HBO contract- which basically allowed him to run rampant in picking up millions of dollars at a time- Jones would fight one undeserving mandatory stiff after another.
But when Tarver had elevated himself to the IBF mandatory position in 2000, he had his promoter at the time Murad Muhammad write a letter questioning his attributes as the number one contender. Eventually, the IBF- which has had an ******uous relationship with Muhammad- acquiesced and forced Tarver into a box-off with Harding for the right to face Jones. Harding would beat Tarver in June of 2000( a loss though, that would be avenged a few years later) and Jones was free from having to face Tarver, until he agreed to face him this past Saturday.

[Toney616]

lol. People are always coming up with rumors..

Wasnt the tax man on his case a while back

He is much more sensible now than he was a few years ago, When I mentioned "The Blueprint" I meant Mayweather Promotions. He will make alot of money from Mayweather promotions like Oscar is doing with Golden Boy. Maybe not to the same extent but it will still bring him alot of money when he finally hangs up the gloves.

Either way i hope you are right, it would be nice for a fighter to retire with money in the bank after they retire.

[Toney616]

Hiding behind his HBO contract- which basically allowed him to run rampant in picking up millions of dollars at a time- Jones would fight one undeserving mandatory stiff after another.
But when Tarver had elevated himself to the IBF mandatory position in 2000, he had his promoter at the time Murad Muhammad write a letter questioning his attributes as the number one contender. Eventually, the IBF- which has had an ******uous relationship with Muhammad- acquiesced and forced Tarver into a box-off with Harding for the right to face Jones. Harding would beat Tarver in June of 2000( a loss though, that would be avenged a few years later) and Jones was free from having to face Tarver, until he agreed to face him this past Saturday.

Yeah I remember reading that Steve Kim article as well, he shouldnt of done that but they did end up fighting.............eventually

[JK1700]

Roy Jones done some disgraceful things, check this out to........



Hiding behind his HBO contract- which basically allowed him to run rampant in picking up millions of dollars at a time- Jones would fight one undeserving mandatory stiff after another.
But when Tarver had elevated himself to the IBF mandatory position in 2000, he had his promoter at the time Murad Muhammad write a letter questioning his attributes as the number one contender. Eventually, the IBF- which has had an ******uous relationship with Muhammad- acquiesced and forced Tarver into a box-off with Harding for the right to face Jones. Harding would beat Tarver in June of 2000( a loss though, that would be avenged a few years later) and Jones was free from having to face Tarver, until he agreed to face him this past Saturday.

I didnt know he did that, Jones should have fought Rocchigiani and Michalzewski but he still alot of good wins. Virgil Hill, James Toney and Bernard Hopkins were all very good boxers in their prime, But the steroid issue takes away from all of his accomplishments. To his credit he did fight Harding (who beat Tarver) and then fought Tarver aswell. But the fact that he was on steroids takes away from it all.

[Toney616]

I didnt know he did that,

He did that in 2000

Jones should have fought Rocchigiani and Michalzewski but he still alot of good wins. Virgil Hill, James Toney and Bernard Hopkins were all very good boxers in their prime, But the steroid issue takes away from all of his accomplishments. To his credit he did fight Harding (who beat Tarver) and then fought Tarver aswell. But the fact that he was on steroids takes away from it all.

I dont think it will harm his legacy in the long run, boxing fans will simply ignore that chapter in his career.

[flyest1]

I didnt know he did that, Jones should have fought Rocchigiani and Michalzewski but he still alot of good wins. Virgil Hill, James Toney and Bernard Hopkins were all very good boxers in their prime, But the steroid issue takes away from all of his accomplishments. To his credit he did fight Harding (who beat Tarver) and then fought Tarver aswell. But the fact that he was on steroids takes away from it all.

I just think Jones and Dariuz couldn't make a deal. Neither wanted to go to each others hometown. Both had successfull careers. To bad they didn't fight at there best. Jones should've fought Steve Collins though after he beat Benn and Eubank. That could've happen and both were #1 and #3 by the Ring. I still don't see to many beating Jones at his best. Even though I question is resume sometimes

Jones and Rocchingini were suppose to fight. But he didn't attend the press conferene. That's why Jones fought Telesco. But after the Hill fight Jones should've fought Rocchingni

[BattlingNelson]

I just think Jones and Dariuz couldn't make a deal. Neither wanted to go to each others hometown. Both had successfull careers. To bad they didn't fight at there best. Jones should've fought Steve Collins though after he beat Benn and Eubank. That could've happen and both were #1 and #3 by the Ring. I still don't see to many beating Jones at his best. Even though I question is resume sometimes

Jones and Rocchingini were suppose to fight. But he didn't attend the press conferene. That's why Jones fought Telesco. But after the Hill fight Jones should've fought Rocchingni

There's a ton of fighters Jones didn't fight.

I did a little research on Roy Jones Jr. and the opposition he fought as a SMW.

Jones was in essense fighting in the 168 lb division from 1993 until 1996.

Keys:

RED = Eventually fought them or fought them already
BLUE = Fought them in that year.

The year end rankings of 1992 looked like this:

1: Michael Nunn
2: Iran Barkley
3: Chris Eubank
4: Victor Cordoba
5: Nigel Benn
6: Tim Littles
7: Darrin Van Horn
8: Tony Thornton
9: Frankie Liles
10: Frank Nicotra

He fought Thornton in 1995.

1993:

1: James Toney
2: Michael Nunn
3: Chris Eubank
4: Nigel Benn
5: Tim Littles
6: Darrin Van Horn
7: Frankie Liles
8: Tony Thornton
9: Antoine Byrd
10: Vincenzo Nardiello


1994: Jones enters the list at no. 1 after beating Toney.

1: Roy Jones Jr.
2: Nigel Benn
3: Chris Eubank
4: Frankie Liles
5: Vinny Pazienza
6: Tim Littles
7: Michael Nunn
8: Ray Close
9: Graciano Rocchigiani
10: Antoine Byrd


1995:

1: Roy Jones Jr.
2: Nigel Benn
3: Steve Collins
4: Frankie Liles
5: Tim Littles
6: Vinny Pazienza
7: Bryant Brannon
8: Henry Wharton
9: Michael Nunn
10: Ray Close


1996:

1: Roy Jones Jr.
2: Frankie Liles
3: Steve Collins
4: Vinny Pazienza
5: Robin Reid
6: Henry Wharton
7: Michael Nunn
8: Vincenzo Nardiello
9: Joseph Kiwanuka
10: Thulani Malinga

At the end of 1996 Jones had moved up.

So Jones work after 4 years at 168 lb consist of an excellent win over Toney and not much else:

Toney
Thornton
Pazienza (LOL)
Byrd
Brannon

Jones never fought a top 3 opponent after Toney. He had 6 fights at 168 after beating him. Of those fights he beat an unranked Thornton, a suspected juiced lightweight in Pazienza, a past it Byrd, a never was in Sosa, a young non-threat in Lucas and a veteran of 16 fights in Brannon.


So the deserving fighters Jones didn't fight (or ducked as it's called on NSB) is these guys:

Nunn
Benn
Eubank
Collins
Barkley
Cordoba
Littles
Van Horn
Liles
Nardiello
Close
Rocchigianni
Nicotra


Let's face it. A Nunn or a Benn or a Eubank or a Liles or even a Collins would have been real nice.

(I hope I didn't miss anyone )