Mike Tyson vs James Toney: whose higher on the ATG list?

[General Zod]

This should be an interesting debate, both had a lot of unrealised potential, both dominated their respective divisions at certain periods in time as well.

Please explain your choice as well

[General Zod]

James Toney:
Best wins:
McCallum
Nunn
Jirov
Holyfield

Mike Tyson:
best wins:
Tucker
Holmes (past prime)
Rudock I
Spinks

[prinzemanspopa]

Spinks was a better heavyweight than Ruddock and Tucker.He was hardly a natural heavyweight but still a more accomplished heavyweight than either.

[General Zod]

Spinks was a better heavyweight than Ruddock and Tucker.He was hardly a natural heavyweight but still a more accomplished heavyweight than either.

Good point, he has 2 wins over Holmes. I had him winning the first, but losing the 2nd fight though. Who do you think deserved to win the second Holmes spinks fight?

ps: welcome back

[Joey Giardello]

james toney has nothing on his resume that can match knockout wins over all time greats spinks and holmes

[General Zod]

james toney has nothing on his resume that can match knockout wins over all time greats spinks and holmes

Thats not entirely fair, Holmes was a shell of himself and Spinks spent most of his career at lhw. I could also say McCallum*2

[Joey Giardello]

Thats not entirely fair, Holmes was a shell of himself and Spinks was a blown up lhw

Holmes was far from a shell of him self, he went on to take the unbeaten record of gold medalist ray mercer and give oliver mccall all he could handle in a very close world title fight, he also gave evander holyfield a very hard fight only loseing by about 3 rounds.

[General Zod]

Holmes was far from a shell of him self, he went on to take the unbeaten record of gold medalist ray mercer and give oliver mccall all he could handle in a very close world title fight, he also gave evander holyfield a very hard fight only loseing by about 3 rounds.

He had lost his last two pro fights, hadn't fought in 2 years and took the fight at 6-7 weeks notice, Everything he did after that was because he had time to prepare properly

[prinzemanspopa]

Good point, he has 2 wins over Holmes. I had him winning the first, but losing the 2nd fight though. Who do you think deserved to win the second Holmes spinks fight?

ps: welcome back

round 1 holmes
round 2 holmes
round 3 holmes
round 4 holmes
round 5 holmes
round 6 spinks
round 7 holmes
round 8 spinks
round 9 holmes
round 10 spinks
round 11 spinks
round 12 spinks
round 13 spinks
round 14 holmes
round 15 spinks




I don't usually score fights but this is a scorecard I posted on another forum from a year ago.


Nowhere near the robbery that some claim and Spinks won the first fight decisively.

[General Zod]

round 1 holmes
round 2 holmes
round 3 holmes
round 4 holmes
round 5 holmes
round 6 spinks
round 7 holmes
round 8 spinks
round 9 holmes
round 10 spinks
round 11 spinks
round 12 spinks
round 13 spinks
round 14 holmes
round 15 spinks




I don't usually score fights but this is a scorecard I posted on another forum from a year ago.


Nowhere near the robbery that some claim and Spinks won the first fight decisively.

Thanks for posting this up, I also had him winning the first fight decisively as well.