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Toughest fighter of all-time?
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to the guy who started this thread. toughness doesnt mean taking many punches, dats genetics, sum guy cud take 1000 punches and it might not hurt him dat much, dat doesnt make him tough, it makes his chin tough which is all genetics. toughness cant be sum1 who beats every1 like sum1 said becoz that just means your skillful. toughness means being in the most pain and still continuing which really means Heart. and if dats the case, then a person who has a granite chin and doesnt get hurt by punches, he isnt really tough coz he hasnt been tested.
its like the saying, "Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless you're scared". "toughness is being in extreme pain and still goin on, if there isnt any pain, thats no toughness". its the same with dis. u cud have the weakest chin and no boxing skill and lose in 1 round, but goin to the extreme with ur pain and not giving up no matter wat, dats toughness.
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Originally posted by Pugnacious_Zto the guy who started this thread. toughness doesnt mean taking many punches, dats genetics, sum guy cud take 1000 punches and it might not hurt him dat much, dat doesnt make him tough, it makes his chin tough which is all genetics. toughness cant be sum1 who beats every1 like sum1 said becoz that just means your skillful. toughness means being in the most pain and still continuing which really means Heart. and if dats the case, then a person who has a granite chin and doesnt get hurt by punches, he isnt really tough coz he hasnt been tested.
its like the saying, "Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless you're scared". "toughness is being in extreme pain and still goin on, if there isnt any pain, thats no toughness". its the same with dis. u cud have the weakest chin and no boxing skill and lose in 1 round, but goin to the extreme with ur pain and not giving up no matter wat, dats toughness.
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Ali was tough, but not the toughest. It wasn't a matter of how much of a beating he could take as apposed to how many clean shots he could take. Landing the clean one was difficult. Lots of guys who weren't even very strong put Ali on the mat in the 60's (Doug Jones, anyone?). He couldn't take clean shots that well, but he could put up with good fighters all night long. Had George Foreman landed a few clean shots to the chin, Ali never would have been the comeback king.
I wondered if somebody was going to mention Texx Cobb; took a 15 round stomping at the hands of Larry Holmes and stayed standing. Holmes even looked to the ref a few times to get the fight stopped, but they just let it continue while Cobb took wide open blasts. Howard Cossell was finished with boxing after this fight.
Larry Holmes himself was pretty tough. His only knockout being at the hands of Mike Tyson says a lot, especially since he was in his late 30's at the time. Granted, Holmes had more weight on his body at the time, generally making it tougher to feel the punches, but he still took a few good ones before falling in the 4th.
Marciano could usually get beat up all night long and still managed to stay perfect. Joe Wallcott is a good example of this.
Man, there are so many tough fighters in history, this is really a tough one to vote on!
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