Toughest fighter of all-time?

[legend_killer]

Hell of a tough guy, from the stuff I've seen of him. I've just seen more of Ali and Frazier, so to me they are the two toughest boxers I've ever seen.

[butterfly1964]

Again why is Marciano even mentioned?Troy you have to be white.all of the fighters you just named were white.Dempsey was knocked out in the first round so that takes him off the list.Maricano was knocked down by a natural middleweight so he is off the list.
I forgot about Wayne Mccollough i think you spell his name like that.I don't believe he was ever knocked down either.And just because fighters from back in the day went alot of rounds dont mean they were tough.Fighters back then didnt throw that many punches and i know at one point in time the round ended when ever a fighter was either knocked down or pushed down.
Chuvalo,McCollough,fighters of that sort.Guys who fought their whole careers without being knocked down.I don't know why every time a white guy makes a post he has to find a way to pull Maricano out his ass.A tough fighter doesn't get knocked down with one punch by a man who is naturally a middleweight(Moore)A tough fighter doesnt duck fighters because they knocked him out as a amateur (Corley Wallace)A tough fighter isnt blasted out in one round like Dempsey did by a fighter like Flynn who had 27 loses at that point in time.

man, you certainly don't understand the circumstances concerning that fight. jack dempsey was a bum, and i don't mean he was a bad fighter, i mean he was a homeless person. when he fought flynn, dempsey hadn't eaten in four days! i don't think any fighter in history, except maybe chuvalo could not eat in 4 days and still have the strength to even climb into the ring. of course dempsey would be ko'd in one round cause he has no energy!

but there was a rematch, and guess what? dempsey ko'd flynn in one round, which was what was supposed to happen! please understand all the circumstances concerning a situation before you downgrade any fighter please! dempsey is da man!

[leff]

marciano, frazier and la motta comes to my mind

[Yogi]

man, you certainly don't understand the circumstances concerning that fight. jack dempsey was a bum, and i don't mean he was a bad fighter, i mean he was a homeless person. when he fought flynn, dempsey hadn't eaten in four days! i don't think any fighter in history, except maybe chuvalo could not eat in 4 days and still have the strength to even climb into the ring. of course dempsey would be ko'd in one round cause he has no energy!

but there was a rematch, and guess what? dempsey ko'd flynn in one round, which was what was supposed to happen! please understand all the circumstances concerning a situation before you downgrade any fighter please! dempsey is da man!

That's one of your better posts that I've seen from you, Butterfly, and I'm glad you looked into that fight beyond a short trip over to boxrec...Yes, that fight was considered a dive back in the day and to Dempsey, the $500 he recieved for taking the count was a hell of a lot more than the $25-50 that he was usually recieving for his fights at that time. He needed the money to pay off his mother's rather large food bill or something along those lines (it was bills/debts of some kind anyways), and that was the quickest/easiest way to make the cash. Of course the decision was helped out plenty by the fact that Jack had just recently hurt his hand while helping out in a bowling alley and hadn't fought for some time going into it...He needed the cash!

There's a bunch of eyewitness statements still around from that time that back up the story that Dempsey took a dive. Nat Fleischer, Ring ****zine, some newspapers, Dempsey's first manager, Dempsey's first wife, and a few others who were in attendance, and they all say the same thing in regards to Jack agreeing to go down in the 1st round.

[butterfly1964]

That's one of your better posts that I've seen from you, Butterfly, and I'm glad you looked into that fight beyond a short trip over to boxrec...Yes, that fight was considered a dive back in the day and to Dempsey, the $500 he recieved for taking the count was a hell of a lot more than the $25-50 that he was usually recieving for his fights at that time. He needed the money to pay off his mother's rather large food bill or something along those lines (it was bills/debts of some kind anyways), and that was the quickest/easiest way to make the cash. Of course the decision was helped out plenty by the fact that Jack had just recently hurt his hand while helping out in a bowling alley and hadn't fought for some time going into it...He needed the cash!

There's a bunch of eyewitness statements still around from that time that back up the story that Dempsey took a dive. Nat Fleischer, Ring ****zine, some newspapers, Dempsey's first manager, Dempsey's first wife, and a few others who were in attendance, and they all say the same thing in regards to Jack agreeing to go down in the 1st round.

bert sugar said he lost 'cause he didn't eat any food in 4 four days, since he was a hobo.

[Kid Achilles]

It was either a dive, he was half starved to death, or possibly both. Either way he beat him easily in a rematch as Butterfly has said.

[Da Iceman]

Again why is Marciano even mentioned?Troy you have to be white.all of the fighters you just named were white.Dempsey was knocked out in the first round so that takes him off the list.Maricano was knocked down by a natural middleweight so he is off the list.
I forgot about Wayne Mccollough i think you spell his name like that.I don't believe he was ever knocked down either.And just because fighters from back in the day went alot of rounds dont mean they were tough.Fighters back then didnt throw that many punches and i know at one point in time the round ended when ever a fighter was either knocked down or pushed down.
Chuvalo,McCollough,fighters of that sort.Guys who fought their whole careers without being knocked down.I don't know why every time a white guy makes a post he has to find a way to pull Maricano out his ass.A tough fighter doesn't get knocked down with one punch by a man who is naturally a middleweight(Moore)A tough fighter doesnt duck fighters because they knocked him out as a amateur (Corley Wallace)A tough fighter isnt blasted out in one round like Dempsey did by a fighter like Flynn who had 27 loses at that point in time.

this guys a idiot, dempsey hadnt eatin in 4 days marciano got caught off balance its not like he was hurt cuz he came back and ko'd him, so did dempsey in the next fight.

anyway heres my list

marciano
frazier
ali
chuvalo

[SugaShane]

Who is the toughest fighter of all-time?

I would have to say Lamotta but then again i am a bit partial to him so i would like to know what you guys think

George Chuvalo. Maybe not the most skilled, but would get pummelled and keep throwing back.

[ag512bbi]

Gotta agree, Hagler!!! Tough, Tough, This guy went through anyone at any time.

[leff]

in no order

frazier,marciano,chuvalo,braddock,lamotta,holyfiel d