NIGEL BENN has dismissed Naseem Hamed as a boxing fake

[StarshipTrooper]

But going into the hameds fight they were not washed up fighters! Like you claim. Fact!

Whether you like it or not hamed was a damn good fighter who deserves some credit

But yet poet you give all the credit in the world to say a carlos zarate, who never beat many names of note and a man who hamed were far behind in terms of accomplishments?

I think it's pretty damn obvious when they lose 50% of the rest of their fights that they're washed up regardless of how they were percieved at the time. Perceptions are not always reality. It's what the FBI calls a "clue".

As for Zarate, don't you think the fact he was a career Bantamweight has something to do with people not knowing his opponents? It's not a big secret that Bantam and Flyweight are NOT followed very closely in the US. Name recognition starts at Featherweight and up. And really, what did Hamed ever really accomplish? He was never the "unified Featherweight champion" as you made out. He held a worthless WBO belt and never had more than ONE of the major belts at any given time. He held the IBF belt and never defended it; he held the WBC belt and never defended it. He NEVER held the WBA belt.

Poet

[them_apples]

he got schooled by Barrera when everything about his style should have given Barrera huge problems. Being a southpaw (making it for Barrera to work off his left) being elusive and forcing Barrera to be the attacker (Barrera worked better as a counter puncher). What happens? Barrera just comes forward beats the crap out of Naseem and presumably comes off as the bigger puncher.

I made a thread a while back about Naseem being overrated. He was a good FW, perhaps a HoFer for his recognition, but not up there with Barrera, Morales, Sanchez or even Marquez.

[Southpaw16BF]

I think it's pretty damn obvious when they lose 50% of the rest of their fights that they're washed up regardless of how they were percieved at the time. Perceptions are not always reality. It's what the FBI calls a "clue".

As for Zarate, don't you think the fact he was a career Bantamweight has something to do with people not knowing his opponents? It's not a big secret that Bantam and Flyweight are NOT followed very closely in the US. Name recognition starts at Featherweight and up. And really, what did Hamed ever really accomplish? He was never the "unified Featherweight champion" as you made out. He held a worthless WBO belt and never had more than ONE of the major belts at any given time. He held the IBF belt and never defended it; he held the WBC belt and never defended it. He NEVER held the WBA belt.

Poet

Well in reality he was undisputed Featherweight champion, as he defeated every title holder in the division. And the only reason he wasn't given WBA was due to Vazquez being stripped of it a few days before.

SO YES HE WAS UNIFIED CHAMPION.

And Zarate's opposition has nothing to do with Americians not knowing who they were. It was due to the fact that most of the time he knocked out sub par oppostion......that were never heard of since or before the Zarate fight.

[StarshipTrooper]

Well in reality he was undisputed Featherweight champion, as he defeated every title holder in the division. And the only reason he wasn't given WBA was due to Vazquez being stripped of it a few days before.

SO YES HE WAS UNIFIED CHAMPION.

And Zarate's opposition has nothing to do with Americians not knowing who they were. It was due to the fact that most of the time he knocked out sub par oppostion......that were never heard of since or before the Zarate fight.

Did he have all three major belts and have them simultaniously? No? THEN HE WASN'T THE UNIFIED CHAMPION!!!!! Maybe YOU thought he should be but that doesn't count for anything. Either he had the belts and had them all at the same time or he didn't!

Poet

[Earl-Hickey]

Naz was entertaining and a good fighter, but he is overrated i'm afraid to say.

[sonnyboyx2]

Not disagreeing with you but Naz hasn't got anyone as good as McClellan on his resume.

McClellan was `Damaged`before he got in the ring with Benn

[StarshipTrooper]

McClellan was `Damaged`before he got in the ring with Benn

Sonnyboyx2 was "damaged" before he came to Boxing Scene (he was dropped on his head as a child).

Poet

[Sugarr]

I think calling Hamed a fake is out of line.

Yes, he got beat by Barrera. How does that make him overrated? He ruled the featherweight division during the 1990's and paved the way for other fighters in smaller weight classes to get some good recognition and paydays.

Calling him a fake is absurd.

[THEGRANDSLAM]

They should just lace up the gloves, I'm sure with a good training camp Hamed can make 160lb

[GJC]

McClellan was `Damaged`before he got in the ring with Benn

I have heard that said a lot but I have never seen any proof of it. It does seem to be a line spouted by people who want to diminish Benn's win to be honest the follow up line is that the referee should have counted Benn out or DQ'd Benn.