C`mon lets here the flak for this

[sonnyboyx2]

Im going by the post where you gave him a 50/50 chance over any heavyweight champion. We'll have to disagree here. I think Lewis would beat Spinks handily.

and you are entitled to your opinion, what swings it in Spinks favour for me is that Lewis had `2 left-feet`and would have had no chance of getting to Spinks, Larry Holmes who can fight on his toes could not get to Spinks, Dwight Braxton one of the ATG pressure fighters could not get to Spinks... Spinks out-jabbed Holmes for 30 rounds yet Lewis was given a lesson in jabbing by Frank Bruno, speed, boxing ability, combination punching, ring generalship - it all lies with Michael Spinks, and Spinks could really punch, the `Spinks Jinx`was a devastating punch.... its Spinks for my money KO8

[them_apples]

Why is Frazier over Foreman, I know Foreman lost to Ali, but so did Frazier at least once, not to mention Foreman smashed Frazier silly in 2 fights.

Why is Liston so high?

Why is Holyfield absent?

In all honesty, Johnson based on resume OR skill doesn't belong that high on the list.

and what others have been saying about Spinks, the man was a LHW with a decent run at HW. He was a skilled boxer but he did get blown out in one round by Mike Tyson.

[StarshipTrooper]

yes Lyle, Norton & Young were washed up, but so was Tyson, Holyfield, Morrison, Ruddock & Weaver when they fought Lewis.

nothing controversial about Holmes vs Spinks (1) Spinks out-jabbed Holmes and out-fought Holmes winning a UD
their rematch was closer but Spinks was still the winner.

Holmes went 21-4 yet was still able to be a top ranked fighter earning 4 title shots against Mercer, Tyson, Holyfield & McCall losing on a split-decision to McCall, the same McCall who poleaxed Lewis in less than 2rds.

by style... i mean the manner of Spinks victory over Cooney, flooring Gerry 4 times with huge punches thrown in bunches with terrific speed... Cooney was not `Shot` he pressed the attack from the opening bell but like Holmes could not handle Spinks herky-jerky style.

nothing to do with Boxrec, i have the fight and had Tyson winning every round which is a shut-out, Smith sole intention was to survive.

Spinks matches up too or betters Lewis in almost every asspect of the sport and with only 1ins difference in height i would take Spinks to come out the victor in a match up.

You know, attempting to have any discussion with you is like debating a broken record. And you wonder why people in this section don't talk TO you but rather talk AT you.

Poet

[sonnyboyx2]

You know, attempting to have any discussion with you is like debating a broken record. And you wonder why people in this section don't talk TO you but rather talk AT you.

Poet

maybe its because i have followed this sport for over 40yrs and seem to have an answer for anything on the sport..you are entitled to your opinion that you feel Lewis would `readily`beat Michael Spinks and i appreciate your opinion yet you dont "like i have" state how you think Lewis would readily beat him!

as for the people on the forum talking at me, thats imaterial to me, i dont know any of the people on the forum and i am not likely to know any of them, all i am doing is talking boxing without any idolization towards any fighter in history, every fighter is the same to me, they are a professional prize-fighter who has their strengths and their weaknesses, i look at those strengths and weaknesses when debating a head-to-head and in this head-to-head which has been brought up i have stated the case for Michael Spinks to be the victor IMO.... yet knowone has stated the strengths and weaknesses and made a case for Lewis being the victor, all they have done is make a claim that they think Lewis would beat him, so infact i am the one who is holding the discusion in the correct manner, not just making fancyfull claims and accusations, so i will move on to another subject and maybe return to this one should someome make a case for Lewis which is based on his abilities over Spinks lack of them.

[sonnyboyx2]

Why is Frazier over Foreman, I know Foreman lost to Ali, but so did Frazier at least once, not to mention Foreman smashed Frazier silly in 2 fights.

Why is Liston so high?

Why is Holyfield absent?

In all honesty, Johnson based on resume OR skill doesn't belong that high on the list.

and what others have been saying about Spinks, the man was a LHW with a decent run at HW. He was a skilled boxer but he did get blown out in one round by Mike Tyson.

Frazier IMO was a more accomplished fighter than Foreman, he achieved more than Foreman, he fought better oposition than Foreman, yes Foreman beat Frazier twice but Antonio Tarver beat Roy Jones twice yet no-one claims Tarver was a better fighter than Jones.

Holyfield missing - i have addressed that on the opening page.

Spinks being beaten by Tyson in one round - it is my opinion that almost any fighter in history would have been "wiped-out" by Mike Tyson the night he fought Spinks, it is well documented that night was Tyson at his ultimate best`and his greatest career victory, it was also Spinks final fight of his career which had spanned 11yrs winning everything that was possible to win both amateur and professional

[them_apples]

Frazier IMO was a more accomplished fighter than Foreman, he achieved more than Foreman, he fought better oposition than Foreman, yes Foreman beat Frazier twice but Antonio Tarver beat Roy Jones twice yet no-one claims Tarver was a better fighter than Jones.

Holyfield missing - i have addressed that on the opening page.

Spinks being beaten by Tyson in one round - it is my opinion that almost any fighter in history would have been "wiped-out" by Mike Tyson the night he fought Spinks, it is well documented that night was Tyson at his ultimate best`and his greatest career victory, it was also Spinks final fight of his career which had spanned 11yrs winning everything that was possible to win both amateur and professional

Foreman busted Norton up as well, another top tier HW. He also went 40-0 (?) and basically brutalized the HW division much like Tyson did only against better opposition. Foreman should be higher on the list. Let's not forget his comeback either, with the destruction of MM.

Tyson was a beast the night he fought Spinks, but it was also a case of a bad style match up. Spinks being a light framed guy, it didn't really matter what skill he brought into the ring he was gonna get smashed either way. I'll admit Tyson that night would have given any ATG hell, but I'm just pointing out..it was party because Spinks was simply a good fight for him.

[sonnyboyx2]

Foreman busted Norton up as well, another top tier HW. He also went 40-0 (?) and basically brutalized the HW division much like Tyson did only against better opposition. Foreman should be higher on the list. Let's not forget his comeback either, with the destruction of MM.

Tyson was a beast the night he fought Spinks, but it was also a case of a bad style match up. Spinks being a light framed guy, it didn't really matter what skill he brought into the ring he was gonna get smashed either way. I'll admit Tyson that night would have given any ATG hell, but I'm just pointing out..it was party because Spinks was simply a good fight for him.

Foreman was `a beast` yes.. but he never brutalized the division like you claim, he beat 40 tomato cans and was a 3/1 dog against Frazier.

Foremans comeback was not all plain-sailing, he was fortunate against the German Axle Shultz and also against Alex Stewart, he lost to Tommy Morrison and was losing every round against Moorer... so IMO Frazier fought and beat the better opostion

[StarshipTrooper]

Ah! I love it when I can play someone like a Stradivarias! You gave me exactly the response I desired: You went over the edge and made an alt and sent me an unhinged E-Mail. I love it when a mind-**** comes together!

Poet

[JAB5239]

Foreman was `a beast` yes.. but he never brutalized the division like you claim, he beat 40 tomato cans and was a 3/1 dog against Frazier.

Foremans comeback was not all plain-sailing, he was fortunate against the German Axle Shultz and also against Alex Stewart, he lost to Tommy Morrison and was losing every round against Moorer... so IMO Frazier fought and beat the better opostion

I would give Frazier the edge in comp beat up until the time of their fight, but I consider George the greater fighter based on his annihilation of Joe. As far as his comeback goes.....I think you have to take his age and time away into consideration. Ass kicking or not, he knocked Moorer out at 45 to win the title back. Thats HUGE. Jmo.