How great was Jack Dempsey?

[JAB5239]

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crold1 For openers Chis Bryd was not listed. Why don't you PM Crold1 ( Cliff Rold ) as he did an article on 100 fighters who faced ring magazine opponents?

He was here a few days ago. It was a very good article

Wait, this is the AI source you said you used to make a point in a past thread. Are you saying AI is wrong? It has MILLIONS of sources!! Isn't that what you claimed before?

[solidman]

Wait, this is the AI source you said you used to make a point in a past thread. Are you saying AI is wrong? It has MILLIONS of sources!! Isn't that what you claimed before?

Dempsey would have beaten both Klitshckos and Byrd

[JAB5239]

Wait, this is the AI source you said you used to make a point in a past thread. Are you saying AI is wrong? It has MILLIONS of sources!! Isn't that what you claimed before?

This is what I got when I asked if Byrd was top 10 ranked by The Ring when he fought Wladimir Klitschko.

I believe you're referring to Chris Byrd's fights with Wladimir Klitschko. They fought twice - first in 2000 and again in 2006.
Based on my knowledge, Chris Byrd was indeed ranked in the Ring Magazine's top 10 heavyweight rankings when he fought Wladimir Klitschko, particularly for their second fight in 2006. For that rematch, Byrd was the IBF Heavyweight Champion and was highly regarded in the heavyweight division, maintaining a position in Ring Magazine's top 10 rankings.

In their first fight in 2000, Byrd was also considered a top contender, though I don't have the exact Ring Magazine ranking from that specific time period.

Chris Byrd was known for his technical boxing ability despite being undersized for a heavyweight. He had notable wins over fighters like Vitali Klitschko (though that was due to injury), David Tua, and Evander Holyfield, which helped establish his place in the heavyweight rankings during that era.

Since my knowledge cutoff is October 2024 and these fights occurred well before then, this information should be accurate, but you might want to verify the exact rankings from around those specific fight dates.

[JAB5239]

Dempsey would have beaten both Klitshckos and Byrd

I'd give him a fair shot to beat the Klitschko's based on styles, but I think Byrds movement and defense give him fits. Not that either K or Byrd are greater than Dempsey, I'm just going on styles. Only my opinion. At the end of the day it cannot be proven.

[Marchegiano]

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[solidman]

Getting back to Dempsey. Who was his best win against? I would say Jack Sharkey, but even Sharkey had 5 losses on his record heading into the bout. What do you guys think?

[GhostofDempsey]

Getting back to Dempsey. Who was his best win against? I would say Jack Sharkey, but even Sharkey had 5 losses on his record heading into the bout. What do you guys think?

Tommy Gibbons would be my #1, but Brennan, Willard, Firpo, Miske in ‘18, Battling Levinsky, Gunboat Smith, Carpentier, and I count the Tunney rematch long count fight as solid wins. Flynn was an impressive first round KO. Most boxing writers and insiders suspected Dempsey took a dive in his first fight with Flynn.

[Dr Z]

Wait, this is the AI source you said you used to make a point in a past thread. Are you saying AI is wrong? It has MILLIONS of sources!! Isn't that what you claimed before?

What version were you using? Surely not grok 4 which is in beta.

[Dr Z]

Tommy Gibbons would be my #1, but Brennan, Willard, Firpo, Miske in ‘18, Battling Levinsky, Gunboat Smith, Carpentier, and I count the Tunney rematch long count fight as solid wins. Flynn was an impressive first round KO. Most boxing writers and insiders suspected Dempsey took a dive in his first fight with Flynn.

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Gibbons was his 1st on 2nd best win. Agreed. JD took him the distance. Tunney Ko'd him. Watch that fight. Tunney was murder to the body.


Willard was too old and inactive. Miske was a dying man who drew with JD before. I do not know what that fight proved for the title fight.

Carpentier a blown up French flyweight who hurt his hand early vs. JD. The Sharkey fight should have a no contest or DQ.

My point is his resume by the standards of a great heavyweight is lacking in quality wins. and has some contraversy in it.

[solidman]

Tommy Gibbons would be my #1, but Brennan, Willard, Firpo, Miske in ‘18, Battling Levinsky, Gunboat Smith, Carpentier, and I count the Tunney rematch long count fight as solid wins. Flynn was an impressive first round KO. Most boxing writers and insiders suspected Dempsey took a dive in his first fight with Flynn.

Flynn was way past his best. How about the wins over Carl Morris and Fred Fulton?