When a fighter moves up in weight

[Marchegiano]

If you had done research on Tommy Burns,instead of relying on Box rec for your conclusions,you would know that he trained like a maniac for Johnson and pronounced himself in the shape of his life .
Burns was always inclined to plumpness around the upper thighs, waist and arse,against Johnson he was trimmed down and showed a toned stomach.No gymnastics needed to discover that ,just some research.
You are NOT wrong about SOME modern heavies weighing more against smaller opponents than against SOME heavier ones.Those that you have cherry picked to prove your non existent point

What you are wrong about is the conclusions you seek to draw from it!
Here are some other weights for Haye
Haye 217 v Bonin 231
Haye 215 v Barrett 226
Haye 217 v Valuev 316
Haye 227 v De Mori 243
Haye 224 v Cjerjaj 237

These weights above have as much significance as those you provided ie NONE!

Then we have
Haye224 v Bellew213
Haye220 v Bellew 210

In between the weights I've given we have;
Haye 210 v Klitschko 242

What you fail to take into account the quality of the prospective opponent about to be faced ie
You would be in your best condition for your best opponents!
The best condition for your most important fights!
eg The Heavyweight title against Valuev
eg The heavyweight title against Wlad What you also fail to take into account is a fighter does NOT KNOW precisely what his opponent is going to weigh!
Also you have to factor in at what stage a fighter is in in his career?

Is he short of his full maturity?
In his prime?
Slightly past his best?
Over the hill , jaded,and just going through the motions?
As a general rule fighters add weight as they mature and age, particularly heavyweights.
You have made no allowance for this, just parroted some figures off Box rec as though they mean anything.
Well ,if they mean anything ,tell us what that is?
Explain to those of us that have no medical qualifications don't make prosthetic limbs what the weights you've provided signify?
For the record M,I'm not annoyed in the slightest,you'll know when I am! I wish you well!

Okay, take all the time you need with this.


You explain to me why you think Tommy's intentions should matter to me, this debate, and/or yourself.



My conclusions? Why haven't had a chance to talk about my conclusions. You're too busy telling me Fitzs, Loughran, Burns etc. didn't gain weight for smaller men and lose weight for larger men to even get to the conclusion.

Got side barred with why HWs own records they don't own

Record are incomplete or wrong

You refused to acknowledge what is on Boxrec until I cited something too modern for you to deny.

What conclusion are you talking about?



Smaller men have more stamina? Is that what you're saying? I am wrong about smaller men having more stamina because tommy did not intent on losing weight? Is that where we are bud? I'm really asking you, no hyperbole, no bull, not being rude. That's where we are at? You think telling me Burns didn't intend on being smaller but he was getting in his best shape disproves in some way or another he gains stamina as he drops pounds?


I couldn't tell you what you think my conclusions are



I will tell you, I don't think you're proven anything or been much more than petulant. How many times have I folded on the examples and found you a new one to pick some detail that doesn't matter apart? Started with Fitzs and now we at Tommy and you think intention matters ... ... ... ... ... c'mon guy, how isn't that just petulance?

[Bronson66]

Okay, take all the time you need with this.


You explain to me why you think Tommy's intentions should matter to me, this debate, and/or yourself.



My conclusions? Why haven't had a chance to talk about my conclusions. You're too busy telling me Fitzs, Loughran, Burns etc. didn't gain weight for smaller men and lose weight for larger men to even get to the conclusion.

Got side barred with why HWs own records they don't own

Record are incomplete or wrong

You refused to acknowledge what is on Boxrec until I cited something too modern for you to deny.

What conclusion are you talking about?



Smaller men have more stamina? Is that what you're saying? I am wrong about smaller men having more stamina because tommy did not intent on losing weight? Is that where we are bud? I'm really asking you, no hyperbole, no bull, not being rude. That's where we are at? You think telling me Burns didn't intend on being smaller but he was getting in his best shape disproves in some way or another he gains stamina as he drops pounds?


I couldn't tell you what you think my conclusions are



I will tell you, I don't think you're proven anything or been much more than petulant. How many times have I folded on the examples and found you a new one to pick some detail that doesn't matter apart? Started with Fitzs and now we at Tommy and you think intention matters ... ... ... ... ... c'mon guy, how isn't that just petulance?

I think you're on the verge of doing what you usually do,ie lose it completely , start insulting, and telling everyone you have qualifications that we should all defer to when it comes to boxing .
I boxed for nearly 20 years and have followed it for over 60 years,I don't consider myself anything other than an average poster,but I certainly consider myself your equal when discussing boxing!


I thanked you for your support when I got a ban, it was greatly appreciated, and now I really don't need to get into a flame war with you.

So I'm bailing while we are still reasonably civil to each other.

[Marchegiano]

I think you're on the verge of doing what you usually do,ie lose it completely , start insulting, and telling everyone you have qualifications that we should all defer to when it comes to boxing .
I boxed for nearly 20 years and have followed it for over 60 years,I don't consider myself anything other than an average poster,but I certainly consider myself your equal when discussing boxing!


I thanked you for your support when I got a ban, it was greatly appreciated, and now I really don't need to get into a flame war with you.

So I'm bailing while we are still reasonably civil to each other.

Honestly man, honestly, bottom of my heart, I really 100% believe this.

We have a lot of culture clash. We are separated by ethnicity, nationality, and age by quite a bit.

That said, it's not a lack of respect. Brony, Ivich, McVey, whatever, is a very knowledgeable poster whose input I value.



Now that the respects are served. ... ... ... ... How did you convince yourself intention matters in this debate?