Heavyweight Champions You Figure Greb Would Beat

[billeau2]

It's ridiculous in any heavyweight scenario to believe Greb would go 12 and not get hit.

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Greb actually helped the Military and was instrumental in "Shadow pulp novels" where the "Gyroscope" eventually to become the helocopter was invented. Greb would whirl about... until like Tinker bell his feet would leave the canvas... The effect on the opponent being brutal... Death from 1000 cuts plus!

Sorry could not resist... But in all seriousness, Greb is one of those fighters like Marciano where there is a whole mythos associated with his performance. Both men had incredible will... Greb fighting while almost blind... Marciano literally (his words) staying in a crouch the entire fight...

[Willie Pep 229]

A points win is still a win. In actuality it proves who the better fighter is provided fair judging. As far as the Fitz fight goes, I think Greb wins a wide decision. There will aways be the danger of getting stopped, but I think Ruby Rob fights to upright with his hands to low. I believe Greb would move in and out landing flurries of punches. And while he may not have one punch power, those punches accumulate and do damage. At the end of the day thought no fantasy fight is provable.

I don't consider a PTS win a win, I'm a fight fan not a three fat guys tell me who won the fight fan. Counting punches landed is for amateur boxing, hurting your man makes you a prize fighter. The man couln't hurt HWs, even 185 poind HWs.

[Willie Pep 229]

Fitz was described as a heavyweight from the waist up, with gigantic shoulders and arms formed out of steel cables (my descriptives lol) and a lightweight below the waist, with chicken legs...

Sounds like Hearns.

[JAB5239]

I don't consider a PTS win a win, I'm a fight fan not a three fat guys tell me who won the fight fan. Counting punches landed is for amateur boxing, hurting your man makes you a prize fighter. The man couln't hurt HWs, even 185 poind HWs.

I totally disagree with this. Why is a points win any less a win? You can't fault a man because he doesn't have a knockout punch, boxing doesn't work like that. If it did there would be fights to till the last man standing.

[Willie Pep 229]

I totally disagree with this. Why is a points win any less a win? You can't fault a man because he doesn't have a knockout punch, boxing doesn't work like that. If it did there would be fights to till the last man standing.

There use to be! I was born too late.

Look Jab, I believe Harry Greb is not only a fighter, but a fighter's fighter.

He is on everyone's very short list of greatest MWs. Including mine.

BUT if a fighter can't move his opponent back, he's not beating him, it just might look that way to some punch counters, e.g. Chavez destroyed Taylor as a fighter. All those Taylor punches meant nothing. Unless you think punch counting is prize fighting.

You're putting Greb in with some of the great HWs and you want us to accept that he can 'beat' the man, because he will land more, but yet ineffective punches, e.g. Tommy Gibbons.

I am not on board with that.

I think you're trying to make him more than human (more than realistic).

New York Times. Greb landed "a million punches" and had the upper hand throughout. . . . One report states "...Greb threw a million punches but never hurt Gibbons as he seldom set."

P.S. I read once that Stanley Ketchel said . . . 'after the Johnson KO I was never the same.'

[JAB5239]

There use to be! I was born too late.

Look Jab, I believe Harry Greb is not only a fighter, but a fighter's fighter.

He is on everyone's very short list of greatest MWs. Including mine.

BUT if a fighter can't move his opponent back, he's not beating him, it just might look that way to some punch counters, e.g. Chavez destroyed Taylor as a fighter. All those Taylor punches meant nothing. Unless you think punch counting is prize fighting.

You're putting Greb in with some of the great HWs and you want us to accept that he can 'beat' the man, because he will land more, but yet ineffective punches, e.g. Tommy Gibbons.

I am not on board with that.

I think you're trying to make him more than human (more than realistic).

New York Times. Greb landed "a million punches" and had the upper hand throughout. . . . One report states "...Greb threw a million punches but never hurt Gibbons as he seldom set."

P.S. I read once that Stanley Ketchel said . . . 'after the Johnson KO I was never the same.'

My point is that Greb had a particular skillet that would or may allow him to beat some heavyweight champions in history. Proving this is impossible. Disproving it, also impossible. We can spin these wheels forever and still not get anywhere.

[them_apples]

I don't consider a PTS win a win, I'm a fight fan not a three fat guys tell me who won the fight fan. Counting punches landed is for amateur boxing, hurting your man makes you a prize fighter. The man couln't hurt HWs, even 185 poind HWs.

There has to be an exception for Greb. He really wasn’t feather fisted in with his own weight. Also consider the beating he administered to Tunney. You can’t do that without a punch. Breaking ribs and noses, putting him in the hospital. He’s no malignaggi.

you put Greb in with any middle weight ever, I can’t can’t think of a single one I could bet on to beat him. He had a style you can’t prepare for. He basically never lost in his prime. He probably beat Tunney 4 times. Obviously he was doing some weird **** in the ring that nobody could figure out. The descriptions on all his fights are him attacking in an awkward rythm and jumping them with extreme speed throwing 100s of fast punches and spinning, ducking and countering. Nobody, even the best fighters seem able to stop it or see it coming. He also did things like feint fatigue for 2 rounds then come out inhumanly fast in round 15, often overpowering larger opponents this way, jumping them late as they slow down. The type of stuff he did could only be garnered from his extreme amount of in ring experience.

[Kid Cauliflower]

It would take two fights to determine the better man between Greb and Langford--one blind and one with prime vision.

[Bronson66]

There has to be an exception for Greb. He really wasnâÂÂt feather fisted in with his own weight. Also consider the beating he administered to Tunney. You canâÂÂt do that without a punch. Breaking ribs and noses, putting him in the hospital. HeâÂÂs no malignaggi.

you put Greb in with any middle weight ever, I canâÂÂt canâÂÂt think of a single one I could bet on to beat him. He had a style you canâÂÂt prepare for. He basically never lost in his prime. He probably beat Tunney 4 times. Obviously he was doing some weird **** in the ring that nobody could figure out. The descriptions on all his fights are him attacking in an awkward rythm and jumping them with extreme speed throwing 100s of fast punches and spinning, ducking and countering. Nobody, even the best fighters seem able to stop it or see it coming. He also did things like feint fatigue for 2 rounds then come out inhumanly fast in round 15, often overpowering larger opponents this way, jumping them late as they slow down. The type of stuff he did could only be garnered from his extreme amount of in ring experience.

He broke Tunney's nose with a head butt.Greb was probably an average puncher at160lbs but he didn't set himself to punch ,he was always moving . Loughran said the key to fighting Greb was to work his body ,especially under the heart to try and slow him down some.

[them_apples]

He broke Tunney's nose with a head butt.Greb was probably an average puncher it160lbs but he didn't set himself to punch ,he was always moving . Loughran said the key to fighting Greb was to work his body ,especially under the heart to try and slow him down some.

Yeah he wasn’t a big puncher I figure. I didn’t know a butt caused the broken nose, Tunney did go to the hospital though, and had his trunks cut off due to swelling around his body. Not sure if this is truth or myth. nWS do say Tunney took quite a beating, it was hard to watch but he never quit