Least Fights/Exp To The HOF

[Eff Pandas]

Of modern era boxers I'm curious what people think is the least amount of fights (am + pro) or yrs of boxing (am + pro) that it took to get to being IBHOF worthy?

So like if we were talking about Mike Tyson for example I believe he started boxing am at 13/14 & had around 50 fights allegedly & you could argue (I won't, just suggesting you could) that Tyson cashed his HOF ticket with the Michael Spinks W in his 35th fight at age 21. So in his case it took 85ish fights & 7-8yrs to be HOF worthy.

[Willie Pep 229]

Not sure where you're going with this so I might be replying incorrectly.

I don't think amateur fights should be calculated into the criteria for admission to the IBHOF. They have their own hall (in a sense.)

What if: SRL had retired after Hearns I (and stayed retired)?

He would have had one claimant title, won and lost, and one united title not defended, but wins against two eventual HOFers, Duran and Hearns.

Then we ask does including his '76 Gold Medal add to his HOF evaluation?

I will say this, if Tyson some how quits right after Spinks, he eventually gets in the HOF, but NOT on the first ballot.

I suspect the same for Leonard, if my hypothetical occurred: not on the first ballot.

Anyway I think any evaluation has to include quality of opponents but not necessarily a minimum number.

I repeat myself, I still don't like including amatuer fights, which makes Lomachenko an interesting debate.

[The D3vil]

Not sure where you're going with this so I might be replying incorrectly.

I don't think amateur fights should be calculated into the criteria for admission to the IBHOF. They have their own hall (in a sense.)

What if: SRL had retired after Hearns I (and stayed retired)?

He would have had one claimant title, won and lost, and one united title not defended, but wins against two eventual HOFers, Duran and Hearns.

Then we ask does including his '76 Gold Medal add to his HOF evaluation?

I will say this, if Tyson some how quits right after Spinks, he eventually gets in the HOF, but NOT on the first ballot.

I suspect the same for Leonard, if my hypothetical occurred: not on the first ballot.

Anyway I think any evaluation has to include quality of opponents but not necessarily a minimum number.

I repeat myself, I still don't like including amatuer fights, which makes Lomachenko an interesting debate.

You're kidding yourself if you think Mike doesn't get in after Spinks.

After Spinks, he's the inaugural P4P king at Ring ****zine

7 title defenses

He's the undefeated, undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, and 35-0

And he's American

There's nobody with a resume anywhere close to that who's not in the HOF.

If he dies in 1989 or something, he would've been a part of the 1994/1995 class, absolutely

[The D3vil]

Supposedly Dwight Muhammad Qawi didn't have any amateur fights, he just went to prison & started there.

I think his SD loss to Evander Holyfield is what punched his ticket to Canastota because he gave the GOAT cruiser hell.

At that point he was 26-3-1

So, I'd say 30?

[Willie Pep 229]

Wait a minute. I said on the first ballot.

You then said 'if he dies' he gets in on the first ballot.

But are you saying, if he doesn't die and just quits, after Spinks hw is still enough for a first ballot entry?

[Bundana]

Not sure where you're going with this so I might be replying incorrectly.

I don't think amateur fights should be calculated into the criteria for admission to the IBHOF. They have their own hall (in a sense.)

What if: SRL had retired after Hearns I (and stayed retired)?

He would have had one claimant title, won and lost, and one united title not defended, but wins against two eventual HOFers, Duran and Hearns.

Then we ask does including his '76 Gold Medal add to his HOF evaluation?

I will say this, if Tyson some how quits right after Spinks, he eventually gets in the HOF, but NOT on the first ballot.

I suspect the same for Leonard, if my hypothetical occurred: not on the first ballot.

Anyway I think any evaluation has to include quality of opponents but not necessarily a minimum number.

I repeat myself, I still don't like including amatuer fights, which makes Lomachenko an interesting debate.

I find it difficult to understand, why you think Tyson wouldn't get in on the firtst ballot - if he had retired after the Spinks fight.

In that case, his first year of eligibility would have been 1994 - where the 4 men voted in that year, in the modern group, were Jack (Kid) Berg, Joey Maxim, Carlos Zarate - and Michael Spinks! Very hard to believe, that a Mike Tyson on the ballot, wouldn't have pushed one of those 4 out!

[Eff Pandas]

Not sure where you're going with this so I might be replying incorrectly.

I don't think amateur fights should be calculated into the criteria for admission to the IBHOF. They have their own hall (in a sense.)

I was going where I said I was going lol.

I'm simply curious as to how much is the least exp (fights &/or yrs) it took of real competitive level boxing for one to reach professional HOF status.

I think ones amateur career is massively important to ones pro success. I think most would agree with me. Idgaf about the amateur HOF & idgaf about ones full pro career either. I'm merely wondering the time it took to arguably reach the HOF worthy level I defined from fight 1 as an amateur to whatever is the fight one can reasonsbly argue got them in the HOF.

I get the fight at which one "got" into the HOF is speculative & a guesstimate thing but I got np with reasonable speculation or debate on that.

[Eff Pandas]

Supposedly Dwight Muhammad Qawi didn't have any amateur fights, he just went to prison & started there.

I think his SD loss to Evander Holyfield is what punched his ticket to Canastota because he gave the GOAT cruiser hell.

At that point he was 26-3-1

So, I'd say 30?

Oh sh^t I love this one. No am career & punches his HOF ticket on an L. And sh^t I don't think that anyone could disagree that L punched his ticket. 30 fights & 8yrs from debut to HOF.

[kara]

Artur Beterbiev?

[Eff Pandas]

Artur Beterbiev?

Artur had like a decade+ long amateur career along with 4yrs as a pro before he got a belt fight. 100+ am fights, 20 pro fights. I'm not even sure what fight gets him in the HOF or if he's had it yet. It might be a Bivol W that punches his ticket.