Tunney let's Greb finish his 5th fight between them.

[Ivich]

[QUOTE=Dr. Z;n31998428]

How do your know that James Fair never saw Greb fight? Produce the link which says that you lair and stop twisting unknown facts to your agenda. By my count Greb was filmed six times! Sure they all disappeared when Fair way say 20-40 years!

To clear thing up for the board they can PM me on the claimed Greb film if the want the details of it. I never said I saw it. Only that it was claimed to be seen.

Sure, Greb fought like Mayorga like Klompton said. We can review the new reports if Greb fights. Do you see any similarities between the two in print the way they are described in action. Well... speak up.

Unlike yourself some seen Klompton's catalog of films. Wouldn't you like to see them? Yeah I bet you would! The list is very large.

You remain a liar and a joke. Now here is a short film of Greb walking around that I do not think most have seen.



By the way I have read a Man must fight.

Easy response how do you know he did? His book was written 20 years after Greb's death. Tell us when the last films of Greb's fights disintegrated?

I haven't got the fight reports of Greb's fights that Klompton has and neither have you ,I'm not sufficiently interested to spend my time trawling through old news papers every day.

Klompton says you haven't got his catalogue of fights and that he called you out on this on ESB.
One of you is wrong, and I know which one my money is on!

I'm not going to contradict Klomp[ton on his opinion of Harry Greb's style,he is more knowledgeable on the subject than I am.

Again, I'm not sufficiently interested to go looking for his list of fights even if they were available.

I have my own small collection and friends have theirs so we can borrow each others .

I haven't bought a fight film for about 30 years and have no plans to do so in the future.what I own and can borrow along with gems from You Tube satisfies me.

Now you can push this as far as you wish,You are the one continuing with this facade.I'm really not engaged enough to continue talking to a fool.

Bottom line there have no proof whatsoever that Greb ever asked Tunney to let him stay ,and not knock him out.
All we have is Tunney's quote,nobody on this thread has said Greb did not say those words,all the more level headed,less credulous ones amongst us, and the man acknowledged as an expert on Greb, have said is they doubt that he did!

[Willie Pep 229]

[QUOTE=Ivich;n31998451]

Easy response how do you know he did? His book was written 20 years after Greb's death. Tell us when the last films of Greb's fights disintegrated?

I haven't got the fight reports of Greb's fights that Klompton has and neither have you ,I'm not sufficiently interested to spend my time trawling through old news papers every day.

Klompton says you haven't got his catalogue of fights and that he called you out on this on ESB.
One of you is wrong, and I know which one my money is on!

I'm not going to contradict Klomp[ton on his opinion of Harry Greb's style,he is more knowledgeable on the subject than I am.

Again, I'm not sufficiently interested to go looking for his list of fights even if they were available.

I have my own small collection and friends have theirs so we can borrow each others .

I haven't bought a fight film for about 30 years and have no plans to do so in the future.what I own and can borrow along with gems from You Tube satisfies me.

Now you can push this as far as you wish,You are the one continuing with this facade.I'm really not engaged enough to continue talking to a fool.

Bottom line there have no proof whatsoever that Greb ever asked Tunney to let him stay ,and not knock him out.
All we have is Tunney's quote,nobody on this thread has said Greb did not say those words,all the more level headed,less credulous ones amongst us, and the man acknowledged as an expert on Greb, have said is they doubt that he did!

I think one of your friends screwd me.

Several years back - like maybe 15-20 years ago there was a standard 8mm Corbett fight film on e bay. I won the bid at a mere $9 American Dollars and sent a check off to England for the film.

Nothing happened. The check was never cashed, the film never arrived, and the film never reappeared on e bay.

My guess - the seller didn't understand that there was a "reserve" button and didn't have a minimum bid attached to the film.

Then didn't want to part with the film for a lousy nine bucks. I didn't report hhim. I understood it was probably too low.

P.S. Not many have access to a standard 8mm projector.

[Dr. Z]

[QUOTE=Ivich;n31998451]

Easy response how do you know he did? His book was written 20 years after Greb's death. Tell us when the last films of Greb's fights disintegrated?

I haven't got the fight reports of Greb's fights that Klompton has and neither have you ,I'm not sufficiently interested to spend my time trawling through old news papers every day.

Klompton says you haven't got his catalogue of fights and that he called you out on this on ESB.
One of you is wrong, and I know which one my money is on!

I'm not going to contradict Klomp[ton on his opinion of Harry Greb's style,he is more knowledgeable on the subject than I am.

Again, I'm not sufficiently interested to go looking for his list of fights even if they were available.

I have my own small collection and friends have theirs so we can borrow each others .

I haven't bought a fight film for about 30 years and have no plans to do so in the future.what I own and can borrow along with gems from You Tube satisfies me.

Now you can push this as far as you wish,You are the one continuing with this facade.I'm really not engaged enough to continue talking to a fool.

Bottom line there have no proof whatsoever that Greb ever asked Tunney to let him stay ,and not knock him out.
All we have is Tunney's quote,nobody on this thread has said Greb did not say those words,all the more level headed,less credulous ones amongst us, and the man acknowledged as an expert on Greb, have said is they doubt that he did!

Nice of you to completely ignore my points ...again.

As nobody knows what Greb said to Tunney during the fight. There is no serving audio and the fighters have been dead for years. You have to take Tunney's word for it. But he clearly beat Greb up him in the 5th fight. And Tunney wanted a 6ht match, Greb refused.

I have Klompton's catalog which he calls is this normal catalog not his " secret " catalog since he know I have it ...and I have shared it with someone on this forum! Don't you feel silly now you little liar. Would you like to to wager say a ban bet? I can PM him if needed, so let me do that before we are officially on and only when I say. Now watch "Tony" Ivich disappear.

How do your know that James Fair never saw Greb fight? Produce the link which says that you lair and stop twisting unknown facts to your agenda. By my count Greb was filmed six times! Sure they all disappeared when Fair way say 20-40 years!

To clear thing up for the board they can PM me on the claimed Greb film if the want the details of it. I never said I saw it. Only that it was claimed to be seen.

Sure, Greb fought like Mayorga like Klompton said. We can review the new reports if Greb fights. Do you see any similarities between the two in print the way they are described in action. Well... speak up.

Unlike yourself some seen Klompton's catalog of films. Wouldn't you like to see them? Yeah I bet you would! The list is very large.

You remain a liar and a joke. Now here is a short film of Greb walking around that I do not think most have seen.



By the way I have read a Man must fight.

- Dr. Z

>>> Nice of you to completely ignore my points ...again.

As nobody knows what Greb said to Tunney during the fight. There is no surviving audio to it and fighters have been dead for years. You have to take Tunney's word for it. But he clearly beat Greb up in the 5th fight. And Tunney wanted a 6ht match, Greb refused.

I have Klompton's catalog which he calls this normal catalog not his " secret " catalog since he knows I have it ...and I have shared it with someone on this forum! Don't you feel silly now you little liar. Would you like to wager on a ban bet? I can PM him if needed, so let me do that before we are officially on and only when I say. Now watch "Tony" Ivich disappear.


And prove to me James Fiar never saw Greb fight! This ought out to be a hoot.

I'll list the fight review, for free.


Tunney Gives Greb Worst Beating Champ Ever Received
Associated Press, March 28, 1925

Whatever doubt existed as to the superiority of Gene Tunney, American light heavyweight champion, over Harry Greb, former holder of the title, was dispelled today as a result of Tunney's decisive victory over the world's middleweight titleholder here last night.

Tunney gave Greb as thorough a beating as he has ever received. So completely was Greb outclassed and outfought in six of the ten rounds that he resorted to a defensive fight after the third and thereafter was guilty of persistent holding and stalling, varied only by a rare flash of offensive fighting, which Tunney quickly terminated by a devastating body attack.

Tunney concentrated his fire almost entirely on Greb's heart and body, landing with deadly accuracy and telling effort. To Greb's credit, he showed remarkable assimilative powers in standing up under Tunney's vicious attacks.

After a flashy start, Greb went on the defensive and let entire rounds go by without making more than a weak show of attack, without landing a decisive punch, even on those rare occasions when he undertook to do the leading.

Greb, with a reputation of a thousand punches, used all of them last night in attempting to smother Tunney's body attack and wasted at least a thousand of them.

Apparently discouraged by his failure to land and alarmed over Tunney's power and persistence, Greb thought only of protecting himself and resorted to holdings that brought warnings from the referee and boos from the crowd.

Tunney fought a clever, vicious and an intense fight. His left hooks to the body seldom missed and his occasional use of short rights to the body and jaw scored whenever he cut these blows loose. It is doubtful that the bounding Greb, rated as one of the most elusive boxers in the ring, ever received so many solid blows in any given ten rounds. Notes

• There was a capacity crowd of around 9,000.
• The consensus among the newspaper reporters at ringside was that Tunney won six of the ten rounds. Some had Tunney winning eight rounds to two.
• "That's the last time I'll fight this guy," Greb told Referee George Barton in his dressing room after the fight. "He's getting too big and too strong for me to handle. I could lick him at one time but not anymore. Tunney is really getting good."

[Dr. Z]

[QUOTE=Willie Pep 229;n31998468]

I think one of your friends screwd me.

Several years back - like maybe 15-20 years ago there was a standard 8mm Corbett fight film on e bay. I won the bid at a mere $9 American Dollars and sent a check off to England for the film.

Nothing happened. The check was never cashed, the film never arrived, and the film never reappeared on e bay.

My guess - the seller didn't understand that there was a "reserve" button and didn't have a minimum bid attached to the film.

Then didn't want to part with the film for a lousy nine bucks. I didn't report hhim. I understood it was probably too low.

P.S. Not many have access to a standard 8mm projector.

Who is he? He might not be my friend. Please PM me. I have 26 minutes of Corbett vs. Fitzsimmons on DVD and have done a blow by blow breakdown that is very good if I can say so myself.

[Clegg]

As nobody knows what Greb said to Tunney during the fight. There is no serving audio and the fighters have been dead for years. You have to take Tunney's word for it.

This is some pretty terrible logic. If somebody claims something, you have to believe it unless there is video/audio to prove otherwise?

So for example Dempsey's story that he went into the street and a newspaper boy had to tell him that he was the new champ? Ali throwing his medal into the river? You 100% believe these stories because there is nobody alive to contradict them? No chance that retired boxers embellish/create stories to help book sales?

[Dr. Z]

This is some pretty terrible logic. If somebody claims something, you have to believe it unless there is video/audio to prove otherwise?

So for example Dempsey's story that he went into the street and a newspaper boy had to tell him that he was the new champ? Ali throwing his medal into the river? You 100% believe these stories because there is nobody alive to contradict them? No chance that retired boxers embellish/create stories to help book sales?

I said you have to take Tunney word for it. In their 5th fight Greb did a lot of clinching and was booed because of it. Ie. he was hurting.

[Ivich]

[QUOTE=Willie Pep 229;n31998468]

I think one of your friends screwd me.

Several years back - like maybe 15-20 years ago there was a standard 8mm Corbett fight film on e bay. I won the bid at a mere $9 American Dollars and sent a check off to England for the film.

Nothing happened. The check was never cashed, the film never arrived, and the film never reappeared on e bay.

My guess - the seller didn't understand that there was a "reserve" button and didn't have a minimum bid attached to the film.

Then didn't want to part with the film for a lousy nine bucks. I didn't report hhim. I understood it was probably too low.

P.S. Not many have access to a standard 8mm projector.

Still got my Super 8 projector and collection of Super 8mm films in the loft. Ive never sold a film and to my knowledge none of my friends has. .Raging Bull a collector on ESB is French Canadian and a good bloke to deal with, he sent me two films as a gift!

[Clegg]

I said you have to take Tunney word for it. In their 5th fight Greb did a lot of clinching and was booed because of it. Ie. he was hurting.

No, you don't have to take Tunney's word for it.

To repeat as you didn't answer: Dempsey's story that he went into the street and a newspaper boy had to tell him that he was the new champ, Ali throwing his medal into the river, you 100% believe these stories because there is nobody alive to contradict them? No chance that retired boxers embellish/create stories to help book sales?

[Dr. Z]

No, you don't have to take Tunney's word for it.

To repeat as you didn't answer: Dempsey's story that he went into the street and a newspaper boy had to tell him that he was the new champ, Ali throwing his medal into the river, you 100% believe these stories because there is nobody alive to contradict them? No chance that retired boxers embellish/create stories to help book sales?

To directly answer your question No, I don't buy that Dempsey story.


Ali was a very angry young man who joined the black ****** movement of the 1960's. which hated the United States. Are there pictures of his medal when he allegedly lost it into the river or later on in life? I do not recall when this was said. It is your baby, you brought this up.


What claims could Tunney make that could possibly increase the sales of his book? IMO, the people who bought it were buying regardless of what was said to him by Greb or not in their 5th fight. Do you question Tunney's integrity?

[Dr. Z]

[QUOTE=Ivich;n31998584]

Still got my Super 8 projector and collection of Super 8mm films in the loft. Ive never sold a film and to my knowledge none of my friends has. .Raging Bull a collector on ESB is French Canadian and a good bloke to deal with, he sent me two films as a gift!

Ivich

It not like you to duck out of a point, well it kind if is..

>>> Nice of you to completely ignore my points ...again.

As nobody knows what Greb said to Tunney during the fight. There is no surviving audio to it and fighters have been dead for years. You have to take Tunney's word for it. But he clearly beat Greb up in the 5th fight. And Tunney wanted a 6ht match, Greb refused.

I have Klompton's catalog which he calls this normal catalog not his " secret " catalog since he knows I have it ...and I have shared it with someone on this forum! Don't you feel silly now you little liar. Would you like to wager on a ban bet? I can PM him if needed, so let me do that before we are officially on and only when I say. Now watch "Tony" Ivich disappear.


And prove to me James Fair never saw Greb fight! This ought out to be a hoot.