On this day, 1967

[Willie Pep 229]

Any of those,."maimed,killed," not give the same opportunity to refuse to take that step forward to take the enlistment procedure?
How many days did Bush Jnr and Trump spend behind bars?

There were many ways out, but not so many if you were black or poor, or worst yet, black and poor.

Not the same circumstances; anology suffers.

My feelings . . . Ali was actually denied an individual choice. He was given a dilemma, in the proper sense of the word, a damned if you do and a . . .

The NOI wanted an anti-war martyr and didn't hesitate to use him, but if he joined, a million young African-American boys were ready to follow his lead into what was already a questionable war.

The decision never really was his alone to make, his decision would affect either his religious commitment or a million young boys. I believe he understood that.

Everyone speaks of the American draft resistance, as draft riots, burning draft cards, going to Canada.

But the reality, all across America, was that there was an underlying, unquestioned, resistance to the war, by the every generation including the WWII generation, the G.I. Generation. (The fathers!)

By 1967 WWII Vets were steering their sons away from the war. Family doctors all over America were fabricating medical records for children they helped bring into the world and weren't about to let go die at 19, for a ****** reason.

Draft resistance was ubiquitous through the entire social fabric.

TRUE STORY: My hometown had a special education kid who should have left school in 1969 (already behind at age 20), but because of the same program (Project 100,000) that changed Muhammad Ali's standing from 1-Y to 1-A, it would have changed this kid the same way, and he was going to VN not university, no doubt.

The town policy was that no one over the age of 21 could attend the public high school. This was not an uncommon rule.

But each town, in New Jersey, sets its own rules, each has its own school board.

The school board met and simply changed the rule and the kid stayed in high school, labeled inadequate, and then graduated with me in June 1972. Around the age of 23.)

The draft was all but done by then.

There was a nationwide resistance to the war by every race, generation, or standard of wealth. Not just the violent ones, you see in the newsreels.

[Ivich]

There were many ways out, but not so many if you were black or poor, or worst yet, black and poor.

Not the same circumstances; anology suffers.

My feelings . . . Ali was actually denied an individual choice. He was given a dilemma, in the proper sense of the word, a damned if you do and a . . .

The NOI wanted an anti-war martyr and didn't hesitate to use him, but if he joined, a million young African-American boys were ready to follow his lead into what was already a questionable war.

The decision never really was his alone to make, his decision would affect either his religious commitment or a million young boys. I believe he understood that.

Everyone speaks of the American draft resistance, as draft riots, burning draft cards, going to Canada.

But the reality, all across America, was that there was an underlying, unquestioned, resistance to the war, by the every generation including the WWII generation, the G.I. Generation. (The fathers!)

By 1967 WWII Vets were steering their sons away from the war. Family doctors all over America were fabricating medical records for children they helped bring into the world and weren't about to let go die at 19, for a ****** reason.

Draft resistance was ubiquitous through the entire social fabric.

TRUE STORY: My hometown had a special education kid who should have left school in 1969 (already behind at age 20), but because of the same program (Project 100,000) that changed Muhammad Ali's standing from 1-Y to 1-A, it would have changed this kid the same way, and he was going to VN not university, no doubt.

The town policy was that no one over the age of 21 could attend the public high school. This was not an uncommon rule.

But each town, in New Jersey, sets its own rules, each has its own school board.

The school board met and simply changed the rule and the kid stayed in high school, labeled inadequate, and then graduated with me in June 1972. Around the age of 23.)

The draft was all but done by then.

There was a nationwide resistance to the war by every race, generation, or standard of wealth. Not just the violent ones, you see in the newsreels.

It was a war the US should never have gotten involved in .How much resistance there was at grass roots level I can't say,I'm a Brit

[Willow The Wisp]

- - He quit the misbegotten sect that kidnapped him is the only thing he was doing for humanity.

MLK and his corp of civil rights leaders were the generals for the righteousness that needed to be accomplished.

I liked Ali as the big brother getting to do things I could never do. End of the day the American system he savaged saved him that made him a hero while uncountable heroes died in that political war to no acclaim by hapless oafs like you..

So that's a conversation that I'm comfortable having with you via your prompt, as I know the sharp mind behind the sharp humor.
Yes, those who chose to abide by the law of the land, embraced or put aside their political and ethical views for the good of their nation, and shipped out- Are INDEED heroes. Every single one. That is unassailable.

What Ali did, at uncalculable cost to himself, was to use his fame, wealth and high podium as a voice for those soldiers, disproportionately African Americans in number, and reach farther than even Dr. King or Abby Hoffman or the music of a generation, to help turn the tide of public opinion to reexamine the value and cost of our involvement in the conflict.

I didn't ever get all my friends back from ****holes like Huế, Thừa Thiên-Huế, but I got most. I got Ali, in part, to thank for that.

As for the concept of helping to maintain friendly governments abroad and policing the world, it's a risky business at best, and we as a nation, a culture can be great without being perfect.
Complex things, better ended now.
I'm from a family with big military background of which I am immensely proud, and historical hindsight puts Ali as American as apple pie.

That's just my perspective and it ain't no thing.

[Slugfester]

He was the most well known man in the world for a while. He had a lot of courage. But as much as Jack Johnson? Hard to say. Would Clay have taken the path of Ali without an entire movement backing him? I don't know. Johnson played his cards without assistance or advice, Ali didn't. I do not easily assign noble motives on wishful evidence.

The greatest heavyweight ever didn't do anything for mankind or the black movement that I notice. He did a lot for himself. His humanitarian efforts were meager. Well, so what? So are mine. He was not a prophet in the least, just a great boxer.

[Willow The Wisp]

He was the most well known man in the world for a while. He had a lot of courage. But as much as Jack Johnson? Hard to say. Would Clay have taken the path of Ali without an entire movement backing him? I don't know. Johnson played his cards without assistance or advice, Ali didn't. I do not easily assign noble motives on wishful evidence.

The greatest heavyweight ever didn't do anything for mankind or the black movement that I notice. He did a lot for himself. His humanitarian efforts were meager. Well, so what? So are mine. He was not a prophet in the least, just a great boxer.

I understand this. It is not an uncommon sentiment regarding Ali.
I suppose that one could argue that few who set out to enlighten the world had as much to lose as Ali. Those who supported him such as Jim Brown, Lou Alcinder & Bill Russell did not actually gamble anything with their show of solidarity. It's a divisive issue still, but my thinking is that his contribution; by action or rhetoric, was virtually unsurpassed, rather than "wishful evidence", a derisive term really, better applied to a legend like Angus MacAskill.

[Willow The Wisp]

Ali, let's not forget, was the black superman!

[JAB5239]

Ali, let's not forget, was the black superman!

Not a perfect man by any means, but an absolutely amazing one for sure!

[Slugfester]

I understand this. It is not an uncommon sentiment regarding Ali.
I suppose that one could argue that few who set out to enlighten the world had as much to lose as Ali. Those who supported him such as Jim Brown, Lou Alcinder & Bill Russell did not actually gamble anything with their show of solidarity. It's a divisive issue still, but my thinking is that his contribution; by action or rhetoric, was virtually unsurpassed, rather than "wishful evidence", a derisive term really, better applied to a legend like Angus MacAskill.

Good letter.

You can think of realism as derisive if you want. It is what the Woke do everyday.

I ain't here to bash Ali. I loved him. But exactly what is this contribution to humanity you are so proud of? Can you name it without going all general and gushing on me? He called Frazier a gorilla. He joined a religion that calls itself our enemies, which is convincing to me. He had little kid names for everyone he fought, which is called entertainment, not high diplomacy.

No, not action or rhetoric, son. Please let's have some of it. Tell me what it is, man. Don't generalize. Tell me exactly why he is so important to civilization. And what is the effect of that now? Any man with your convictions should be able to do that.

[Willow The Wisp]

Good letter.

You can think of realism as derisive if you want. It is what the Woke do everyday.

I ain't here to bash Ali. I loved him. But exactly what is this contribution to humanity you are so proud of? Can you name it without going all general and gushing on me? He called Frazier a gorilla. He joined a religion that calls itself our enemies, which is convincing to me. He had little kid names for everyone he fought, which is called entertainment, not high diplomacy.

No, not action or rhetoric, son. Please let's have some of it. Tell me what it is, man. Don't generalize. Tell me exactly why he is so important to civilization. And what is the effect of that now? Any man with your convictions should be able to do that.

You want the horns? Figured I'd run anyone like that off, lol.

Well, don't look at me as though the veneration of Muhammad Ali was my idea.
For much of his adult life he was one of the most well known people on earth.
If I just left it at him 'using his soapbox gained through sport for what he perceived as good', that would qualify as vague, and rightly so, but true nevertheless.
So much has been written about the man; you might take it up with all of them.

His persona could certainly have used some polishing. Still, even when he was insulting people, it usually came off as funny to most.
But he was no angel. No perfect person.

Steve Jobs had a daughter he denied for years living on welfare. Pete Townshend of the Who loves Kiddie ****. British Prime Minister Winston Churchill busted up peaceful demonstrations using poison gas. US Presidents George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, William Henry Harrison, John Tyler, James Polk, Zachary Taylor, Andrew Johnson, and Ulysses S. Grant all owned ******. Former South African president Nelson Mandela belonged to a ********* splinter group of the African National Congress that implemented sabotage, torture and killed more than 130 people. Showman P.T. Barnum bought a black woman from an acquaintance of his (slavery was banned at that time, but he used a loophole to evade that). He ended up holding a live autopsy of the woman once she died, and cut up her body in front of a crowd for one of his very first exhibits. Thomas Edison electrocuted an elephant as a demonstration of his electric power. Coco Chanel was a big supporter of the **** party.
And so it goes. I can't say that their contributions should be "canceled" for their failings however.
For Ali, you can read things like this to embellish your understanding effectively:

[JAB5239]

You want the horns? Figured I'd run anyone like that off, lol.

Well, don't look at me as though the veneration of Muhammad Ali was my idea.
For much of his adult life he was one of the most well known people on earth.
If I just left it at him 'using his soapbox gained through sport for what he perceived as good', that would qualify as vague, and rightly so, but true nevertheless.
So much has been written about the man; you might take it up with all of them.

His persona could certainly have used some polishing. Still, even when he was insulting people, it usually came off as funny to most.
But he was no angel. No perfect person.

Steve Jobs had a daughter he denied for years living on welfare. Pete Townshend of the Who loves Kiddie ****. British Prime Minister Winston Churchill busted up peaceful demonstrations using poison gas. US Presidents George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, William Henry Harrison, John Tyler, James Polk, Zachary Taylor, Andrew Johnson, and Ulysses S. Grant all owned ******. Former South African president Nelson Mandela belonged to a ********* splinter group of the African National Congress that implemented sabotage, torture and killed more than 130 people. Showman P.T. Barnum bought a black woman from an acquaintance of his (slavery was banned at that time, but he used a loophole to evade that). He ended up holding a live autopsy of the woman once she died, and cut up her body in front of a crowd for one of his very first exhibits. Thomas Edison electrocuted an elephant as a demonstration of his electric power. Coco Chanel was a big supporter of the **** party.
And so it goes. I can't say that their contributions should be "canceled" for their failings however.
For Ali, you can read things like this to embellish your understanding effectively:

Outstanding!!