Giant Heavyweights Always Could Have Ruled?

[Slugfester]

Right now I am thinking a lot about this.

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The D3vil said it just right in another letter. The giant boxers would probably gas out in earlier times without their rextra ed blood cells. I think old time trainers were not so dumb that they blindly bought into a myth about gargantuan men and boxing. We did. I think they created it, maybe with help from boxing writers. Does anyone think they had not observed and experimented for themselves to come to their conclusion? But suddenly there was a whole encampment of big mountain trolls ruling the heavyweight hilltop. How can that be? Is what I wonder. Height is in the genes. Isn't it? Are there more tall people now? Is it food additives? Was it myth or reality?

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But wait, a giant fighter could train hard too and practice conserving stamina in the ring. I see that is what most of them did that got successful, except Wilder. Even he fights tall. Their natural way, with visibility. Giants do not crouch. Crouching takes energy and eats visibility. They could rest out of range or go on the attack and still be out of range unless they face another giant. Giants are not volume punchers. They could train how to exploit their advantages and conserve stamina. Every boxer trains and strategized to do that. It does not sound like an impossible dream for a natural giant to do it without PED assistance. Is it myth or reality?

[kara]

But there were tall heavyweights like Primo?

[Slugfester]

But there were tall heavyweights like Primo?

Primo may have inspired the myth.

[Marchegiano]

With no scheduled end big men would not dominate the division anymore than they had. Stamina will always favor smaller sized people. If you give big men more stamina smaller men can do the same thing to achieve even more stamina still. Nothing will ever change this and it is not unique to humans.

The general size of good Heavies goes up as the duration of fights goes down. This is not coincidence. It is biology.

[The D3vil]

The general size of good Heavies goes up as the duration of fights goes down. This is not coincidence. It is biology.

I think this is a big part of it.

Also, the elephant in the room is PEDs.

Guys who were 250lbs weren't going to be able to fight hard for 12 rounds in the past. Now they can.

Also, they can achieve greater speed & quickness while maintaining that size now.

We see the same thing in the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc. . .

It aint no new thang.

If I gave George Foreman what these guys were on, he'd be 260 of solid muscle and wouldn't have gassed out against Ali in the Jungle.

[kara]

With no scheduled end big men would not dominate the division anymore than they had. Stamina will always favor smaller sized people. If you give big men more stamina smaller men can do the same thing to achieve even more stamina still. Nothing will ever change this and it is not unique to humans.

The general size of good Heavies goes up as the duration of fights goes down. This is not coincidence. It is biology.

Wilder is big, but he actually weighs less than Usyk. Should size be defined by height or weight - or both?

[Bundana]

With no scheduled end big men would not dominate the division anymore than they had. Stamina will always favor smaller sized people. If you give big men more stamina smaller men can do the same thing to achieve even more stamina still. Nothing will ever change this and it is not unique to humans.

The general size of good Heavies goes up as the duration of fights goes down. This is not coincidence. It is biology.

What would happen, if it was decided to go back to 15 rounds for title fights? Would that result in sub-210 lbs boxers pushing most of today's behemoths out of Ring's HW Top-10? What do you guys think?

[Marchegiano]

Wilder is big, but he actually weighs less than Usyk. Should size be defined by height or weight - or both?

Weight, in biology weight dictates stamina. Height deals more with the bone structure. There are size caps for how large an animal can grow based on the sort of bones they have. There are no 20 foot tall humans because our bones can not handle the distances from joints. There are one tone humans at human height because, unhealthy as it is, our bones can handle weight better than height.

[Marchegiano]

I think this is a big part of it.

Also, the elephant in the room is PEDs.

Guys who were 250lbs weren't going to be able to fight hard for 12 rounds in the past. Now they can.

Also, they can achieve greater speed & quickness while maintaining that size now.

We see the same thing in the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc. . .

It aint no new thang.

If I gave George Foreman what these guys were on, he'd be 260 of solid muscle and wouldn't have gassed out against Ali in the Jungle.

I don't know if 3 more rounds would matter so much in the PED era. Maybe, but where it would become an insurmountable obstacle is the start of boxing. I think Johnson was part of the last HW fight with no scheduled end. Either way, back when they did over 20 rounds, that'd be very hard on a modern super sized HW regardless of PEDs.

3 rounds mattered enough to get cut so maybe 3 rounds would be enough to bring the size of best HWs down but I am unsure.

[Marchegiano]

What would happen, if it was decided to go back to 15 rounds for title fights? Would that result in sub-210 lbs boxers pushing most of today's behemoths out of Ring's HW Top-10? What do you guys think?

I don't know if 3 more rounds would matter so much in the PED era. Maybe, but where it would become an insurmountable obstacle is the start of boxing. I think Johnson was part of the last HW fight with no scheduled end. Either way, back when they did over 20 rounds, that'd be very hard on a modern super sized HW regardless of PEDs.

3 rounds mattered enough to get cut so maybe 3 rounds would be enough to bring the size of best HWs down but I am unsure.

More or less the same response. I'm not sure enough to speak firmly about 15 rounders. Those old days marathons is more where one can be sure.