Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran fight outcomes

[Willow The Wisp]

Very close call here. It just doesn't get much better than these two. Duran did have a slightly bigger frame. To what extent that would come into play?

[kara]

Very close call here. It just doesn't get much better than these two. Duran did have a slightly bigger frame. To what extent that would come into play?

This is a very close call. I keep changing my pick the more I think about it.

[QueensburyRules]

and in this case size won't matter. They are very similar in size, the fight will be fought up close and both fought much bigger men than themselves.

Duran has much better success above welter? how so?

either or, size won't matter. Duran will be 140 lbs on fight night in his prime, Armstrong likely 135.

- - Boxrec is your friend, but you need a tutor.

No problem matching them at from 135-148 in guaranteed great fights. Above that it's all Duran. Armstrong scarcely showed a decent career above 148.

[them_apples]

- - Boxrec is your friend, but you need a tutor.

No problem matching them at from 135-148 in guaranteed great fights. Above that it's all Duran. Armstrong scarcely showed a decent career above 148.

yeah at 135 is where the bout takes place. IMO based on styles I don't see size being a factor at all. Even at the higher weights it was probably more so to do with Armstrong being so shop worn. Duran, while certainly not in shape - was never really shop worn because he never took serious damage outside of the Hearns fight. Armstrong frequently fought with both eyes nearly shut. He came from the same camp as Frazier. They were buzzsaws. Armstrong I rate higher than Frazier, it is just a point to be made though. I also figure Armstrong to be better than De Jesus and Buchanan.

I picture the fight being fought inside 90 percent of the time based on 2 factors.

Armstrongs style will constantly seek out a close quarters battle
Duran's style won't actively look to avoid this, and may welcome it.

Changes in outcome would be Duran finds inside to be rather dangerous and tries a more dynamic approach to create space and catch armstrong. Which of course is a possibility. Could he take him out this way though, or win enough rounds this way?

All the legendary stuff we saw Duran do may not have a chance to come into play. Because styles.

[Slugfester]

Not an easy fight but easy to score and raise Duran's hanc/..

[Tony Trick-Pony]

I pick Duran. Hank was great and it would be a great fight. I think Duran was a bit more polished, though. Probably the best inside fight of all time.

[Slugfester]

Armstrong has very little chance, from all I have watched, although the fight might be exciting. What is he going to do, KO Duran with his little punch? Take his inside game away and Henry is squat? I will take a tenth look with an open mind, just for the sake of this thread.

I see Duran as the best lightweight ever. No surprise, eh? I see him as a top 10 welterweight of all time too. So start attacking.

[Slugfester]

I don't want to minimize Hank. He has some great tools. His upper body movement is amazing when under attack himself. His stamina and heart are unquestionable. However, he has no guard. He charges in with his left completely down and the right not much higher. This is at all ranges. It makes him a sitting robo duck for Duran who is as good as Hank inside and better at any other r ange. I have to stand with my original prediction: Guran wins clearly, his supremacy never in question.

[them_apples]

I don't want to minimize Hank. He has some great tools. His upper body movement is amazing when under attack himself. His stamina and heart are unquestionable. However, he has no guard. He charges in with his left completely down and the right not much higher. This is at all ranges. It makes him a sitting robo duck for Duran who is as good as Hank inside and better at any other r ange. I have to stand with my original prediction: Guran wins clearly, his supremacy never in question.

well theres a couple thigs to consider, going forward footage is improving of older fighters like Hank. he's usually in lower framed footage - meaning any small movements won't get picked up, only big ones. AI is improving this though.

Second, from a professional bout standpoint, we need to get away from the idea that "any glove touching ones head" counts as a punch. if a shot has absolutely nothing on it, in a professional bout - it's nothing to make note of at all. It's the amateur style "touch wars" that has people thinking these connect ratios mean everything, when well placed effectively set up punches can dismantle a fighter. If hank smothers his opponent and slides off 2 hooks while sinking a brutal left to the ribs in while they are vulnerable - this is called ring savvy. Hank was a dangerous guy to even hit sometimes because he made you miss so bad.

Now Duran has a much more polished outside game, and more punching power - absolutely flawless punching technique - but the fact remains based on Durans tendencies, that this bout would be fought in Armstrongs style all night. While Duran has sublime inside skills, is he better than someone who made a career out of it? that's the question.

[Slugfester]

well theres a couple thigs to consider, going forward footage is improving of older fighters like Hank. he's usually in lower framed footage - meaning any small movements won't get picked up, only big ones. AI is improving this though.

Second, from a professional bout standpoint, we need to get away from the idea that "any glove touching ones head" counts as a punch. if a shot has absolutely nothing on it, in a professional bout - it's nothing to make note of at all. It's the amateur style "touch wars" that has people thinking these connect ratios mean everything, when well placed effectively set up punches can dismantle a fighter. If hank smothers his opponent and slides off 2 hooks while sinking a brutal left to the ribs in while they are vulnerable - this is called ring savvy. Hank was a dangerous guy to even hit sometimes because he made you miss so bad.

Now Duran has a much more polished outside game, and more punching power - absolutely flawless punching technique - but the fact remains based on Durans tendencies, that this bout would be fought in Armstrongs style all night. While Duran has sublime inside skills, is he better than someone who made a career out of it? that's the question.

Sir, what are you talking about? Do you know what a fact is? It is not a fact that "this bout would be fought in Armstrong's style all night," it is a speculation.