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    Top 10 P4P ever in terms of H2H

    At their peak:

    1- Floyd Mayweather Jr.

    Best H2H fighter ever. Ultimate combination of athleticism, fundamentals and experience. Money was more careful and less risky than his PBF version. PBF was more courageous and had higher KO rate. His peak performances were Corrales, Gatti, Baldomir, Marquez, Guerrero and Canelo. He has the highest average punch accuracy in 21st century.

    2- Roy Jones Jr.

    An athletic freak. Rarely lost rounds at his prime. His handspeed and unique unorthodox...ish style were mad combination. His accuracy surpassed 60% in his some performances. His prime started at Hopkins and ended at Tarver 1.

    3- James Toney


    Truly special fighter. He had ability to learn quickly. His best attribute was his accuracy. His overall accuracy was 65% and jab accuracy was 70% against Barkley. He never reached that level again. Also, he KO'd Nunn who was H2H monster.

    4- Canelo Alvarez

    His performances between Jacobs and Smith were ******ly good. He heavily outjabbed and outlanded both despite his huge height and reach disadvantage. His stamina prevented him from 12-0 win against Jacobs. His accuracy reached 57% against Smith and had ATG clean punching. He also KO'd Kovalev between them by walking him down all night long as a much smaller man.

    5- Tommy Hearns

    He was extremely difficult to outbox. He clearly outboxed Leonard x2, Hagler and Duran. His hamster chin prevented his career achievements and dominance over them.

    6- Michael Nunn

    Another fighter who was extremely difficult to outbox. His performance was against Tate top notch. He one shotted Kalambay in 1. Also, he heavily outlanded Toney until got KO'd.

    7- Pernell Whitaker

    His illegal defensive and clinching skills were very difficult to break. He was ducking into canvas -way below waist level- and fighters couldn't land anything significant because of that. Also, his lightning jab was top notch. His prime started at Roger and ended at ODLH.

    8- Vasyl Lomachenko

    He was phenomenon at SFW. His performances were top notch between Rossell and Campbell. He utterly dominated Rigondeaux "without using his size advantage". He went skill for skill and made him quit badly.

    9- Manny Pacquiao

    Not the strongest fighter here in terms of fundamentals but he was so good between 2008-2010. He destroyed Hatton, ODLH, Cotto and Margarito. His peak performance was Cotto imo. First Barrera fight has also case for that.

    10- Bernard Hopkins

    Another dirty fighter who was difficult to break with his clinching and headbutts. His prime started in Mercado rematch and didn't last until after his 40. His peak performances were Mercado, Trinidad, ODLH, Tarver and Pavlik.

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    Honorable mentions: Naoya Inoue, Marvin Hagler, Gennady Golovkin, Sugar Ray Leonard, Dmitry Bivol, Andre Ward.

    Note: Shakur Stevenson will be up there eventually.

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    I didn't add fighters from dinosaur era (pre-70s). H2H is collateral with being modern.
    Last edited by Silence; 01-20-2023, 02:46 PM.

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    Cotto?

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      #3
      Originally posted by Silence View Post
      At their peak:

      1- Floyd Mayweather Jr.

      Best H2H fighter ever. Ultimate combination of athleticism, fundamentals and experience. Money was more careful and less risky than his PBF version. PBF was more courageous and had higher KO rate. His peak performances were Corrales, Gatti, Baldomir, Guerrero and Canelo. He has the highest punch accuracy in 21st century.

      2- Roy Jones Jr.

      An athletic freak. Rarely lost rounds at his prime. His handspeed and unique unorthodox...ish style were mad combination. His accuracy surpassed 60% in his some performances. His prime started at Hopkins and ended at Tarver 1.

      3- James Toney


      Truly special fighter. He had ability to learn quickly. His best attribute was his accuracy. His overall accuracy was 65% and jab accuracy was 70% against Barkley. He never reached that level again. Also, he KO'd Nunn who was H2H monster.

      4- Canelo Alvarez

      His performances between Jacobs and Smith were ******ly good. He heavily outjabbed and outlanded both despite his huge height and reach disadvantage. His stamina prevented him from 12-0 win against Jacobs. His accuracy reached 57% against Smith and had ATG clean punching. He also KO'd Kovalev between them by walking him down all night long as a much smaller man.

      5- Tommy Hearns

      He was extremely difficult to outbox. He clearly outboxed Leonard x2, Hagler and Duran. His hamster chin prevented his career achievements and dominance over them.

      6- Michael Nunn

      Another fighter who was extremely difficult to outbox. His performance was against Tate top notch. Also, he heavily outlanded Toney until got KO'd.

      7- Pernell Whitaker

      His illegal defensive and clinching skills were very difficult to break. He was ducking into canvas -way below waist level- and fighters couldn't land anything significant because of that. Also, his lightning jab was top notch. His prime started at Roger and ended at ODLH.

      8- Vasyl Lomachenko

      He was phenomenon at SFW. His performances were top notch between Rossell and Campbell. He utterly dominated Rigondeaux "without using his size advantage". He went skill for skill and made him quit badly.

      9- Manny Pacquiao

      Not the strongest fighter here in terms of fundamentals but he was so good between 2008-2010. He destroyed Hatton, ODLH, Cotto and Margarito. His peak performance was Cotto imo. First Barrera fight has also case for that.

      10- Bernard Hopkins

      Another dirty fighter who was difficult to break with his clinching and headbutts. His prime started in Mercado rematch and didn't last until after his 40. His peak performances were Mercado, Trinidad, ODLH, Tarver and Pavlik.


      ​​​​​​​Honorable mentions: Naoya Inoue, Marvin Hagler, Gennady Golovkin, Sugar Ray Leonard, Dmitry Bivol, Andre Ward.

      ​​​​​​​Note: Shakur Stevenson will be up there eventually.

      ​​​​
      I didn't add fighters from dinosaur era (pre-70s). H2H is collateral with being modern.
      - - Don't see any greats from the 70s, but I see an assortment of modern punch monkey skittles somehow book ended by 2 p4p sissies.

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        #4
        Originally posted by kara View Post
        Cotto?
        When was his prime? His run seems decent from Paulie to Jennings. Judah fight was probably his peak.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Silence View Post

          When was his prime? His run seems decent from Paulie to Jennings. Judah fight was probably his peak.
          He even did really well with Canelo. Some thought it was a draw. Blasted out Martinez when everyone thought it was a crazy fight to take. Even gave Mayweather a run for his money

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            #6
            Originally posted by kara View Post

            He even did really well with Canelo. Some thought it was a draw. Blasted out Martinez when everyone thought it was a crazy fight to take. Even gave Mayweather a run for his money
            He is one of the solid gatekeepers. He gave run everyone except Pac. Pac beat him so easily.

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              #7
              Pretty terrible inclusions.

              You include Tommy Hearns in a H2H scenario by listing 4 fights, of which he only won 1. Make that make sense.

              The Inclusion of James Toney has to be one of the most illogical things I’ve ever seen.

              You are aware he lost to unranked journeyman multiple times in his prime years, right?
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                #8
                Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post
                Pretty terrible inclusions.

                You include Tommy Hearns in a H2H scenario by listing 4 fights, of which he only won 1. Make that make sense.

                The Inclusion of James Toney has to be one of the most illogical things I’ve ever seen.

                You are aware he lost to unranked journeyman multiple times in his prime years, right?
                I am not sure which conversation you're in but I always found Hearns to be a paradox. The man's career is best defined by his loses.

                Throw away the lost at the very end and what you got left is a guy who lost to Hagler and Leonard, and like many great fighters had a nemesis, Barkley, and that is it.

                It is a strange way to call a fighter an ATG but with Hearns it still somehow says it.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Silence View Post

                  He is one of the solid gatekeepers. He gave run everyone except Pac. Pac beat him so easily.
                  Remember Pac made him drop to 145 for the fight.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by kara View Post

                    Remember Pac made him drop to 145 for the fight.
                    This ain't good excuse because Cotto's peak was at 147 around 2007. I dunno about 2 lbs killed him or not.

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