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    Has there ever been a minimum weight limit for HW?

    There wasearlier some dispute over whether O'Enry had to wear a weight belt to make the HW limit. Putting that argument aside has there been/is there, a minimum weight limit for the HW division.

    I personally have never run across that mentioned, but becuse it is so unlikely I may have just missed it.

    Education please!

    #2
    - - Pep, surely you're better than that.

    Minimum weight strictly confined to Modern boxing where commish and orgs assign weight classes.

    Bare knucks started as an open class with catchweights catching on later that led to weight classes. If Sir 'enery didn't wear weights, 99% chance his Clay payday is cancelled.
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      #3
      Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post
      There wasearlier some dispute over whether O'Enry had to wear a weight belt to make the HW limit. Putting that argument aside has there been/is there, a minimum weight limit for the HW division.

      I personally have never run across that mentioned, but becuse it is so unlikely I may have just missed it.

      Education please!
      Queen B is quite right, minus the "shoulda" cause lol... I Never will believe in a ****** question. The real issue has to do with advantages, perceived as such, and otherwise. I will make the distinction: If you are not wearing gloves and boxing another human being, regardless of perception, your biggest concern will be your hands. Because of a punch and the evolution of our bodies you can easily break your hand on the guy's forehead, elbows, hip joint, etc. In Ju Jutsu styles an open hand is usually used to strike for this reason, and in styles that do punch the hands are toughened... to this day I hit a bean bag for toughening my hands as a martial artist.

      A perceived advantage is not absolute... For example "weight." Weight can/cannot be an advantage. If you are fighting with no gloves, unlimited time, weight becomes a factor more than an absolute advantage. Consequently, originally weight divisions were not a consideration. They started to become such when gloves were used and eventually when fighters were encouraged to fight in a style that emphasized different punches, as opposed to different cuts... Figg's style was based wholly on fencing.
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        #4
        Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post
        There wasearlier some dispute over whether O'Enry had to wear a weight belt to make the HW limit. Putting that argument aside has there been/is there, a minimum weight limit for the HW division.

        I personally have never run across that mentioned, but becuse it is so unlikely I may have just missed it.

        Education please!
        Sullivan fought the following men who were170lbs or under.
        Burke
        Phillips
        McCafferty
        Mitchell
        Greenfield
        Robinson



        Joe Walcott a welterweight fought heavyweights, men from under 160lbs have won the heavyweight title and others under 175lbs have contested it.
        MItchell
        O Brien
        Burns
        Carpentier
        Conn
        Are some examples, there has never been a minimum weight and therefore no reason on earth why Henry Cooper would need to wear a weighted belt for a heavyweight weigh in.Cooper never weighed less than 185lbs as a pro and was regularly in the high180's ,low 190's.
        He weighed 185 1/2lbs for the 1st Ali fight,3 months earlier he had scaled 188 for the Richardson fight,in his 1st fight after the Ali bout he scaled 188 3/4 lbs to face London .So according to Queensbury Fool he puts a weighted belt on for the Ali weigh in and comes in lighter than for his previous and next fights!
        For his title challenge Cooper scaled188lbs. in his previous fight the had weighed 191 1/4lbs against Jefferson Davis,and in his next fight after Ali he weighed 191lbs to fight Floyd Patterson so tell me how that weighted belt worked?Because from where I am standing he was lighter when he was wearing it than when he wasnt!
        Common Sense Aint That Common! In fact on this site its a rarity!
        Last edited by Ivich; 08-23-2022, 10:03 AM.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Ivich View Post
          Sullivan fought the following men who were170lbs or under.
          Burke
          Phillips
          McCafferty
          Mitchell
          Greenfield
          Robinson



          Joe Walcott a welterweight fought heavyweights, men from under 160lbs have won the heavyweight title and others under 175lbs have contested it.
          MItchell
          O Brien
          Burns
          Carpentier
          Conn
          Are some examples, there has never been a minimum weight and therefore no reason on earth why Henry Cooper would need to wear a weighted belt for a heavyweight weigh in.Cooper never weighed less than 185lbs as a pro and was regularly in the high180's ,low 190's.
          He weighed 185 1/2lbs for the 1st Ali fight,3 months earlier he had scaled 188 for the Richardson fight,in his 1st fight after the Ali bout he scaled 188 3/4 lbs to face London .So according to Queensbury Fool he puts a weighted belt on for the Ali weigh in and comes in lighter than for his previous and next fights!
          For his title challenge Cooper scaled188lbs. in his previous fight the had weighed 191 1/4lbs against Jefferson Davis,and in his next fight after Ali he weighed 191lbs to fight Floyd Patterson so tell me how that weighted belt worked?Because from where I am standing he was lighter when he was wearing it than when he wasnt!
          Common Sense Aint That Common! In fact on this site its a rarity!
          Yup. Heck, Micky Walker was 174 in his title challenge to Schmeling. Conn 174 in Louis - Conn 1....
          Ketchel?

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            #6
            Remember though, regional regulations can dictate the proper answer for the threadstarter here.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View Post

              Yup. Heck, Micky Walker was 174 in his title challenge to Schmeling. Conn 174 in Louis - Conn 1....
              Ketchel?
              I belieie Conn actually weighed 168lbs.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Ivich View Post
                Sullivan fought the following men who were170lbs or under.
                Burke
                Phillips
                McCafferty
                Mitchell
                Greenfield
                Robinson



                Joe Walcott a welterweight fought heavyweights, men from under 160lbs have won the heavyweight title and others under 175lbs have contested it.
                MItchell
                O Brien
                Burns
                Carpentier
                Conn
                Are some examples, there has never been a minimum weight and therefore no reason on earth why Henry Cooper would need to wear a weighted belt for a heavyweight weigh in.Cooper never weighed less than 185lbs as a pro and was regularly in the high180's ,low 190's.
                He weighed 185 1/2lbs for the 1st Ali fight,3 months earlier he had scaled 188 for the Richardson fight,in his 1st fight after the Ali bout he scaled 188 3/4 lbs to face London .So according to Queensbury Fool he puts a weighted belt on for the Ali weigh in and comes in lighter than for his previous and next fights!
                For his title challenge Cooper scaled188lbs. in his previous fight the had weighed 191 1/4lbs against Jefferson Davis,and in his next fight after Ali he weighed 191lbs to fight Floyd Patterson so tell me how that weighted belt worked?Because from where I am standing he was lighter when he was wearing it than when he wasnt!
                Common Sense Aint That Common! In fact on this site its a rarity!
                - - Minimum wt for heavy today 200, before 190, before 175, before ad infinitum until we hit the bareknucks completely open class that saw 145 lb Tom Sayor dominate his era.

                I'll take Sir 'enery's word over U.

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                  #9
                  think it depends on the region

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

                    - - Minimum wt for heavy today 200, before 190, before 175, before ad infinitum until we hit the bareknucks completely open class that saw 145 lb Tom Sayor dominate his era.

                    I'll take Sir 'enery's word over U.
                    Wrong! There has never been a minimum weight which a fighter needs to make to qualify for a heavyweight title shot needs to make to qualify for a heavyweight title shot.

                    Sullivan defended his title numerous times in gloved contests against men under 170lbs!

                    Fitzsimmons was under 175lbs, Burns 168 Both Burns and Fitz defended the title weighing less than170lbs! ,Carpentier 172 .Conn168lbs .

                    Explain to the Forum why Cooper ,according to you, had weights in his trunks at the weigh in, but still scaled lighter than he had in his previous fight ,and lighter than he would in his next fight? How exactly does that work?
                    Also explain why he would need to put weights in his trunks anyway, as there has never been a minimum weight for a boxer to challenge the heavyweight champion?
                    Do you know what makes you so ridiculous?
                    It isn't that you are ******,it's that you think you're pretty smart! DELUSIONAL!LOL
                    Last edited by Ivich; 08-24-2022, 12:30 PM.

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