So is anybody knowledgeable enough. . .

[Willie Pep 229]

So is anybody knowledgeable enough to go through the IBHOF (Modern) and pick out all the non-champions who made the cut?

I can think of only one: Billy Miske.

P.S. Black fighters who won Negro Championships should be considered champions.

[Bundana]

I take it, you mean the Old Timers group - since that is were Miske is listed?

In that group quite a few non-champions have been inducted:

Eddie Booker
George (KO) Chaney
Joe Choynski
Mike Gibbons
Tommy Gibbons
Leo Houck
Jack Kilrain
Packey MacFarland
Charley Mitchell
Pedro Montanez
Billy Petrolle
Wesley Ramey
Dave Shade
Tom Sharkey
Young Stribling
Sid Terris

Several others may or may not belong on the list... depending on how you feel about the title claims of guys such as Jim Driscoll, Len Harvey, Les Darcy, Jeff Smith, Memphis Pal Moore and Charles Ledoux.

[Willie Pep 229]

Nicely done. Some deep knowledge.

So with the phetha of titles available, since the 1980s, do you think there would be even one name in the modern section? Maybe a few 1950s names, maybe even the 60s. But I would bet we can't find a single non-champion inducted post 1985. What's you think?

Thanks for reply.

[Bundana]

Nicely done. Some deep knowledge.

So with the phetha of titles available, since the 1980s, do you think there would be even one name in the modern section? Maybe a few 1950s names, maybe even the 60s. But I would bet we can't find a single non-champion inducted post 1985. What's you think?

Thanks for reply.

Not nearly as many non-champions in the Modern group:

Jimmy Bivins
Charley Burley
Billy Graham
Cocoa Kid
Lazlo Papp
Holeman Williams

Papp's last fight was in 1964 - and I don't believe a more recent non-champion has been inducted.

As you say, with the ridiculous number of "world" titles these days, it's difficult to imagine another non-champion being inducted anytime soon in the Modern group.

As for the Old Timer group... I suppose it's not completely out of the question, that they one day may pick a more recent non-champion than Papp. Someone like Benny Briscoe, maybe... who knows?

[markusmod]

Not nearly as many non-champions in the Modern group:

Jimmy Bivins
Charley Burley
Billy Graham
Cocoa Kid
Lazlo Papp
Holeman Williams

Papp's last fight was in 1964 - and I don't believe a more recent non-champion has been inducted.

As you say, with the ridiculous number of "world" titles these days, it's difficult to imagine another non-champion being inducted anytime soon in the Modern group.

As for the Old Timer group... I suppose it's not completely out of the question, that they one day may pick a more recent non-champion than Papp. Someone like Benny Briscoe, maybe... who knows?

That is some very nice digging.

[edgarg]

Nicely done. Some deep knowledge.

So with the phetha of titles available, since the 1980s, do you think there would be even one name in the modern section? Maybe a few 1950s names, maybe even the 60s. But I would bet we can't find a single non-champion inducted post 1985. What's you think?

Thanks for reply.

Maybe, but there a few undeserving Champions on the list...Like Gatti for instance. I think there are lots of politics in the less obvious choices.

[Willow The Wisp]

Fun thread. I just now observed it. Needless to say, More "Championships" available to win = Less IBHOF worthy Non "Champion" contenders, lol.
Today we live in the "Everybody gets a trophy era".

You look at those non-champs in the hall (and there are plenty more who are worthy), and you laugh imagining how easily they would snag a WB.... title today.

[Willow The Wisp]

Good stuff Bundana!!!!!

[QueensburyRules]

Not nearly as many non-champions in the Modern group:

Jimmy Bivins
Charley Burley
Billy Graham
Cocoa Kid
Lazlo Papp
Holeman Williams

Papp's last fight was in 1964 - and I don't believe a more recent non-champion has been inducted.

As you say, with the ridiculous number of "world" titles these days, it's difficult to imagine another non-champion being inducted anytime soon in the Modern group.

As for the Old Timer group... I suppose it's not completely out of the question, that they one day may pick a more recent non-champion than Papp. Someone like Benny Briscoe, maybe... who knows?

- - Derek Chisora probably the densest resume of modern heavies win/lose/draw...

[The Old LefHook]

Together we came up with one. Bundana knew twenty-two. Now that figures.