How Do You Rate Frazier In Terms Of Never defeating a Power Puncher ?

[Stuart Chandler]

I know he has a win on Ali but what or how do you rate a true heavyweight when he has no track record of fighting power punchers . Frazier avoided them before and after Foreman only fighting Foreman twice . I say rate in terms of other top heavyweight fighters in other eras . Most top guys have defeated at least one big puncher in their life times. Seems like a real stretch how people say he can beat up everyone . Seems to be a less skilled Dwight Qawi who gave Foreman a better fight .

[The Old LefHook]

Huh? Back to the drawing board.

[QueensburyRules]

- - Ali had more KOs than Frazier in their first fight and Joe tore him a new one. Same deal vs Foster.

What grade U in?

[Stuart Chandler]

- - Ali had more KOs than Frazier in their first fight and Joe tore him a new one. Same deal vs Foster.

What grade U in?

I didn’t make a thread about Alis punching power I made a Frazier one though about his resume .

[QueensburyRules]

I didn’t make a thread about Alis punching power I made a Frazier one though about his resume .

- - Made a rather 3rd grade level thread claiming Joe in his short career never beat any power punchers, when in fact he BTFO out of the two top masterful Boxer/Punchers of his era, Ali and Bob Foster...you're welcome.

[Stuart Chandler]

- - Made a rather 3rd grade level thread claiming Joe in his short career never beat any power punchers, when in fact he BTFO out of the two top masterful Boxer/Punchers of his era, Ali and Bob Foster...you're welcome.

Ali wasn’t a puncher he even admitted that and Bob ?

[billeau2]

- - Ali had more KOs than Frazier in their first fight and Joe tore him a new one. Same deal vs Foster.

What grade U in?

Foster indeed!

[Willow The Wisp]

I suppose that if you sit down and set about the task, you can build a critique about any professional in any field, simply by gathering facts and assumptions that disparage the subject and leaving the praiseworthy items off to the side for use on another day. If I were to attempt to do this to Joe Frazier, I suppose that I'd start with his height. At just a shade under 6 feet, his is a Heavyweight stature from a bygone era. Then there is the mere 37 professional starts that "Smokin' Joe engaged in, the 4th least of the glove era among the actual champions, better only than Jeffries (22), Johansson (28), Tyson Fury & Michael Spinks (32).
Sometime in the course of that excercise, though, and because I don't happen to be a moron; it would occur to me that Muhammad Ali, who most people who know anything about the fight game regard as one of the 1 or 2 greatest champions of all time, was in supreme condition in 1971, comming off two great perfomances against two of the best opponents he would ever have (and that's saying an awful lot), and when he met Joe Frazier in the Garden in arguably the largest sporting event in history, it was the only meeting between the pair where they were both undefeated, and both smack dab in the middle of their respective primes....and Frazier was the better man.
After that........

[Willow The Wisp]

One more thing. Chuvalo was a power puncher.

[billeau2]

I suppose that if you sit down and set about the task, you can build a critique about any professional in any field, simply by gathering facts and assumptions that disparage the subject and leaving the praiseworthy items off to the side for use on another day. If I were to attempt to do this to Joe Frazier, I suppose that I'd start with his height. At just a shade under 6 feet, his is a Heavyweight stature from a bygone era. Then there is the mere 37 professional starts that "Smokin' Joe engaged in, the 4th least of the glove era among the actual champions, better only than Jeffries (22), Johansson (28), Tyson Fury & Michael Spinks (32).
Sometime in the course of that excercise, though, and because I don't happen to be a moron; it would occur to me that Muhammad Ali, who most people who know anything about the fight game regard as one of the 1 or 2 greatest champions of all time, was in supreme condition in 1971, comming off two great perfomances against two of the best opponents he would ever have (and that's saying an awful lot), and when he met Joe Frazier in the Garden in arguably the largest sporting event in history, it was the only meeting between the pair where they were both undefeated, and both smack dab in the middle of their respective primes....and Frazier was the better man.
After that........

Frazier and Marciano: Between the TWO of them... would not, at first glance, have the attributes to impress any boxing guru... Joe, bad eye, one punch... Marciano, two left feet, no reach... Go figure lol! Both men remarkable fighters.

Frazier fought amongst others, a very good puncher... One of the best. Bob Foster. Just because hs stopped Bob in his tracks the assumption is that size was the variable... Joe was bigger but im not convinced is was size that allowed Joe to take Foster down with such ease.