Do you think Jack Dempsey is overrated?

[Gettin Jiggy]

I have a tough time rating Wills because there's little footage of him and he never won the title (never got a shot at it either). At the same time he had a great resume and went practically unbeaten for 10 years save for two freak incidents (an early DQ loss and a hand injury).

I think very highly of Lennox Lewis who fought the best of his time and beat everyone he ever faced. He had two bad losses and the best fighters he beat were not at their best but he was also ducked during the mid 90's.

I would rate Lewis above Wills, mainly because he did eventually get a shot at proving his greatness against Holyfield and Tyson while Wills never did.

good post! its just poster poet done a top 15 heavyweight list and never included Lewis. Which i find very shocking to say the least. but had dempsey at number 3 far to high for my liking!

[GJC]

I also think that Wills was somewhat "lucky" not to fight Dempsey but then again I've never seen any footage of a prime Harry Wills, only clips of him in his late 30's. Still, it's a fight that should have happened, Wills was Dempsey's number 1 contender for the length of his reign from 1919 until the end of it.

Greb was a middleweight but he had beaten the best heavyweights (the same men Dempsey fought and sometimes struggled with) and did give Dempsey all he could handle in sparring. He wanted a shot at Dempsey but never got it.

No Wills should have got his shot no arguments.
You think Greb could have beaten Dempsey?

[GJC]

good post! its just poster poet done a top 15 heavyweight list and never included Lewis. Which i find very shocking to say the least. but had dempsey at number 3 far to high for my liking!

Was it Poet's personal list or those computer things he did?
Lewis should make a top 15 I have in my top 12.
I will have to check Dempsey I would imagine I have him top 6, I always reserve the right to change my list depending on mood bar 1) Ali and 2) Louis

[Gettin Jiggy]

Was it Poet's personal list or those computer things he did?
Lewis should make a top 15 I have in my top 12.
I will have to check Dempsey I would imagine I have him top 6, I always reserve the right to change my list depending on mood bar 1) Ali and 2) Louis

it was his personal list.

[StarshipTrooper]

Was it Poet's personal list or those computer things he did?
Lewis should make a top 15 I have in my top 12.
I will have to check Dempsey I would imagine I have him top 6, I always reserve the right to change my list depending on mood bar 1) Ali and 2) Louis

It was top 12 not top 15.

01. Muhammad Ali
02. Joe Louis
03. Jack Johnson
04. Jack Dempsey
05. Larry Holmes
06. Sonny Liston
07. Evander Holyfield
08. George Foreman
09. Rocky Marciano
10. Mike Tyson
11. Joe Frazier
12. Harry Wills

Poet

[TheGreatA]

No Wills should have got his shot no arguments.
You think Greb could have beaten Dempsey?

Greb had the amazing ability to frustrate much bigger men. Tunney needed all of his science to beat Greb.

He beat Billy Miske, Tommy Gibbons, Bill Brennan, Battling Levinsky, Willie Meehan, Gunboat Smith whom Dempsey fought and defended his title against. Greb also defeated heavyweight contenders Bartley Madden, Charley Weinert, Kid Norfolk, Jack Renault and others.

Dempsey would have to be at his best to catch Greb. Greb's swarming tactics likely wouldn't work against the one punch KO power of Dempsey but Greb was described as being fairly elusive as well.

[Gettin Jiggy]

It was top 12 not top 15.

01. Muhammad Ali
02. Joe Louis
03. Jack Johnson
04. Jack Dempsey
05. Larry Holmes
06. Sonny Liston
07. Evander Holyfield
08. George Foreman
09. Rocky Marciano
10. Mike Tyson
11. Joe Frazier
12. Harry Wills

Poet

can i see your top 50 fighters of all time p4p?

[StarshipTrooper]

can i see your top 50 fighters of all time p4p?

I only have top 20 p4p so it will have to do.

01. Ray Robinson
02. Bob Fitzsimmons
03. Sam Langford
04. Roberto Duran
05. Henry Armstrong
06. Alexis Arguello
07. Benny Leonard
08. Ray Leonard
09. Pernell Whitaker
10. Ezzard Charles
11. Joe Gans
12. Roy Jones
13. Pascual Perez
14. Eder Jofre
15. Miguel Canto
16. Carlos Zarate
17. Charley Burley
18. Marvin Hagler
19. Jimmy Wilde
20. Willie Pepp

[Gettin Jiggy]

I only have top 20 p4p so it will have to do.

01. Ray Robinson
02. Bob Fitzsimmons
03. Sam Langford
04. Roberto Duran
05. Henry Armstrong
06. Alexis Arguello
07. Benny Leonard
08. Ray Leonard
09. Pernell Whitaker
10. Ezzard Charles
11. Joe Gans
12. Roy Jones
13. Pascual Perez
14. Eder Jofre
15. Miguel Canto
16. Carlos Zarate
17. Charley Burley
18. Marvin Hagler
19. Jimmy Wilde
20. Willie Pepp

were are the hw's? and were is monzon, chavez, archie moore, barney ross, and tony canzoneri? i disagree with a fair bit there poet lol.

[StarshipTrooper]

were are the hw's? and were is monzon, chavez, archie moore, barney ross, and tony canzoneri? i disagree with a fair bit there poet lol.

I'm philisophically opposed to putting Heavyweights on p4p lists. As for Monzon, why on Earth would I put someone I consider the most ordinary looking ATG on my top 20 p4p? Chavez? He barely makes my top 10 Lightweight list (at #10).

Poet