The Most Overrated ''Old School Fighter''?

[Slimey Limey]

Over half of SRR's losses came after the age of 40. At 36, Ali was losing to Leon fricken Spinks. What was your point again?

Yes, because every fighter ages exactly the same. Moron.

When Ali lost to "Leon frickin Spinks" he was already completely washed up. That was after the life threathening Frazier, Foreman, Shavers etc fights.

SRR never lost 3 vital years of his peak like Ali did, losing his most important asset: speed. Ali was able to adapt and beat a load of legends, top contenders and win the title back two more times.

The "GOAT" was not as succesful in moving up in weight like other legends and was in an era nowhere near as great as the 70s HWs, the fab 4 in the 80s etc.

That was my point again.

[TheGreatA]

Yes, because every fighter ages exactly the same. Moron.

When Ali lost to "Leon frickin Spinks" he was already completely washed up. That was after the life threathening Frazier, Foreman, Shavers etc fights.

SRR never lost 3 vital years of his peak like Ali did, losing his most important asset: speed. Ali was able to adapt and beat a load of legends, top contenders and win the title back two more times.

The "GOAT" was not as succesful in moving up in weight like other legends and was in an era nowhere near as great as the 70s HWs, the fab 4 in the 80s etc.

That was my point again.

Robinson started as a lightweight, beat the champion in that division (Sammy Angott who has a very underrated resume), moved up to welterweight, dominated without losing a fight in that division, went up to middleweight, defeated the best opposition available, went up to the light heavyweight division, challenging for the title unsuccessfully, retired for 3 years, came back and regained the title 3 more times while in his late 30's.

I'd say that's pretty successful.

[CharlieGarbs]

Yes, because every fighter ages exactly the same. Moron.

When Ali lost to "Leon frickin Spinks" he was already completely washed up. That was after the life threathening Frazier, Foreman, Shavers etc fights.

SRR never lost 3 vital years of his peak like Ali did, losing his most important asset: speed. Ali was able to adapt and beat a load of legends, top contenders and win the title back two more times.

The "GOAT" was not as succesful in moving up in weight like other legends and was in an era nowhere near as great as the 70s HWs, the fab 4 in the 80s etc.

That was my point again.

Ali himself said SSR's the best ever.

[GJC]

I don't know if I completely agree with you but I understand the sentiment. I feel the same way when I hear boxers called cowards or punks. Whatever you may think of Mayweather, Cotto or whoever they are not cowards.

Regarding "overrated" well this is what sports fans do. We talk about the sport and say who is better than who and for what reason.

I agree I cringe whenever I see fighters labeled bums or even worse cowards

[GJC]

Yes, because every fighter ages exactly the same. Moron.

Well in the narrowest sense, they rack up the same birthdays in the same order but to say someone like Benetiz aged in the same way as a fighter as Hopkins or Archie Moore is a silly statement.

[Dynamite Kid]

I would say Duran, not because of ability/record but because some people rate him above Leonard and that is a bit excessive to say the least.

[mickey malone]

Well in the narrowest sense, they rack up the same birthdays in the same order but to say someone like Benetiz aged in the same way as a fighter as Hopkins or Archie Moore is a silly statement.

For sure!! Look at Rocky Lockeridge...

[them_apples]

Wow, that's harsh.

You're entitled to your own opinion, as we all are.

But let me just say this ; The reason Joe Louis' title reign was labelled the "bum of the month club" was not because they were actual bums.

Joe just made them look like bums.

Louis had a great career, but a good share of his oponents WERE bums. There is no denying this. Tony Galento was in the top 5 (?) for quite a few years during Louis' reign. I disagree with Limeys hate though.

[RightCross94]

i do feel that rocky marciano was a bit overrated, mainly because he is undefeated

i just feel he maybe caught a few guys at the right time and his legacy benefited from that, he's still an ATG and a top fighter, but not top 10 ATG imo

[Emon723]

Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey.