Hagler Vs. Hopkins: who wins? explain.

[Thread Stealer]

Hagler was the greatest 160 lb fighter ever. Withstood Hearn's murderous right cross and fought a close fight against Ray Leonard's supreme boxing ability.

Hagler was the most complete package we've ever seen in a fighter. Great righty or lefty, slugging or boxing. Great endurance and a tremendous chin. I'm a huge Ray Leonard fan, but you can give this to Marvin Hagler. No one ever clearly, cleanly, beat him. And he fought some real tough hombres. He'd have broken through B Hop's defense and would wear him down like he did everyone. Ray Leonard beat Hagler with a miracle rally in the last 2 rounds.

The loss to Monroe wasn't controversial like the Watts loss. I've never seen it as to the best of my knowledge, it wasn't even filmed, but it's always been described as a clear win for Monroe.

[Silencers]

This probably would have ended in a pretty close decision and could have ended up being a pretty technical fight with only spots of exciting action.

[BennyST]

Hagler's record against B rated Philadelphia fighters cannot be over looked. Hopkins is debatably the greatest Philadelphia fighter of all time. Hagler is losing a decision. No doubt about it.

All accounts of the first Willie the Worm Monroe fight were that Hagler CLEARLY lost it. That's not even debatable.

No offense mate, but this is just absurd. What makes you think Hopkins and Monroe even fight slightly alike? Frazier was also a Philly fighter, was he going to beat Hagler just because he was from Philly and did he fight like Hopkins?

This type of generalisation is completely ridiculous. Name another fighter from Philly that fights even a little bit like Hopkins that fought Hagler and gave him trouble? Just in case you forgot, those fights were early on and every fighter that he had trouble against or lost to, he beat or knocked out really easily in rematches.

[BennyST]

Skill wise, it's Hopkins all day IMO. He's slicker, faster, more elusive, smarter (Marvin wasn't exactly known for his ring smarts), fights from angles, knows how to take away his opponet's best assets (Trinidad's left hook, Pavlik's right hand), knows how to set the tempo, and not to mention he's bigger than Hagler.

Whaaaaat? Hagler not ring smart? Based on what? One fight at the very end of his career? Maybe you never saw the early, proper version of Hagler, but you should know that he was anything but ****** in there. He was a great counter puncher, had nice lateral movement, knew when to move, knew when to fight, knew when to switch to righty to confuse....he was a really smart fighter.

This insane thing of him being a swarming, slugging, dumb ass tough guy is so weird. It's one of the great odd misconceptions in boxing.

Hagler, throughout his whole career, apart from a few later fights when he had slowed a lot was basically a pure boxer. Lots of movement, really great jab, counter punches etc.

Also, Hagler's hands were fast, but again, when you see him against Leonard, Hearns, Mugabi etc, he is really quite a lot slower than in previous years. Hopkins would be a little faster at most. Nothing even slightly overwhelming and I don't think speed would play much of a factor because it wasn't enough of a factor.

[BennyST]

Hagler would knock Hopkins out?

You must've eaten those fucking shrooms tonight, huh?

Marcos Geraldo made it 10 rounds with prime Marvin.

If you think Hagler takes him, that's fine. It's entirely possible.

But neither Hagler nor Hopkins is getting knocked out in this one. Marvin is too damn bullheaded, and Hopkins is rarely ever caught flush, and when he has been ; his beard has passed with flying colors.

Except against Mercado.

[mickey malone]

Both fighters have iron wills as well as chins.. This is a distance fight for sure.. I'd predict Hagler by SD in an extremely close encounter.. Hagler's switch hitting against Hopkins's counter punching would be a great clash of styles...

[portuge puncher]

Whaaaaat? Hagler not ring smart? Based on what? One fight at the very end of his career? Maybe you never saw the early, proper version of Hagler, but you should know that he was anything but ****** in there. He was a great counter puncher, had nice lateral movement, knew when to move, knew when to fight, knew when to switch to righty to confuse....he was a really smart fighter.

This insane thing of him being a swarming, slugging, dumb ass tough guy is so weird. It's one of the great odd misconceptions in boxing.

Hagler, throughout his whole career, apart from a few later fights when he had slowed a lot was basically a pure boxer. Lots of movement, really great jab, counter punches etc.

Also, Hagler's hands were fast, but again, when you see him against Leonard, Hearns, Mugabi etc, he is really quite a lot slower than in previous years. Hopkins would be a little faster at most. Nothing even slightly overwhelming and I don't think speed would play much of a factor because it wasn't enough of a factor.

hagler wouldent be able to outbox hopkins,
hopkins is the better boxer out of the two,
not by much but its true.

Except against Mercado.

that was the only time in his whole carrer he was KD.

[ßringer]

Except against Mercado.

One fight.

Almost 15 years ago.

Against a version of Hopkins who's said he wasn't mentally there, at all. Due to circumstances in Ecuador at the time.

Aside from that he's never once been dropped, hurt, dazed, or rocked against much, much better punchers than Mercado. (Tarver, Trinidad, Pavlik, Eastman, Allen, and Echols.)

Whaaaaat? Hagler not ring smart? Based on what? One fight at the very end of his career? Maybe you never saw the early, proper version of Hagler, but you should know that he was anything but ****** in there. He was a great counter puncher, had nice lateral movement, knew when to move, knew when to fight, knew when to switch to righty to confuse....he was a really smart fighter.

This insane thing of him being a swarming, slugging, dumb ass tough guy is so weird. It's one of the great odd misconceptions in boxing.

Hagler, throughout his whole career, apart from a few later fights when he had slowed a lot was basically a pure boxer. Lots of movement, really great jab, counter punches etc.

Also, Hagler's hands were fast, but again, when you see him against Leonard, Hearns, Mugabi etc, he is really quite a lot slower than in previous years. Hopkins would be a little faster at most. Nothing even slightly overwhelming and I don't think speed would play much of a factor because it wasn't enough of a factor.

I never said Hagler wasn't a smart fighter.

I just don't think he's as smart as Hopkins in the ring.

As for handspeed, as I said ; Hopkins has the advantage against any version of Hagler.

Not that it would be a deciding factor in the fight.

But it would allow Hopkins to land that beautiful right hand of his consistently.

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Except against Mercado.

Dude, it was in Ecuador, where the bout took place at 10,000 feet in altitude if i am correct.

[portuge puncher]

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