(Poll) SRR the greatest of all time? According to Ali - Yes!

[them_apples]

In terms of accomplishments he's up there.

He jumped weight classes back when there wasn't inbetweens (am I right about this?)

he also went 90 some odd fights unbeaten

For me it's hard picking if he is the greatest p4p or not because his competition wasn't as good as others with shorter careers.

I also don't believe you can claim to be the greatest of all time when a fighter could come after you and surpass you. The whole "greatest" Idea is a joke in itself.

Either way I have Robinson in my top 3.

there are a couple things that need to be taken into account.

Having a long reign and not losing can't be one of the big reasons for a fighters greatness, if that was the case, Joe Calzaghe is the best fighter of our generation (which I strongly disagree). It's not possible to fight as much as back in the day, so having 40+ fights and never losing is a big feat. By today's standards.

Joe Calzaghe however has fought below average competition his entire career and just squeaked a decision over his toughest opponent who was 43 year of age.

Ray Robinson has had a similar career, he fought the names he could, but the majority of his 90-0 were not great competition. This needs to be taken into consideration as well.

The only reason I brought Joe Calzaghe up is to clarify that not everyone is using the 90-0 to determine his greatness. I realize SRR fought better competition than Calzaghe, but enough to garner the top spot?

What would have happened if he ran into Ray Leonard? or Marvin Hagler..even the 6'1 Thomas Hearns or Roberto Duran. Those kind of caliber fighters simply did not exist during his fighting days. Jake Lamotta has nothing on Marvin Hagler.

All speculation and trying to see if anyone actually has a reason to make him p4p no.1 other then just hopping on the band wagon.

[Southpaw16BF]

he also went 90 some odd fights undefeated.

No he went only 40 fights unbeaten, Jake Lamotaa beat him when he was 40-0, On a UD victory. Do Lamotta did have a 16 pound weight advantage, and Robinson did defeat him 5 times.

Robinson did do once carry a amazing record of 128-1-2 going into the Randy Turpin 1st fight.

[MarkScott]

I would say Joe Gans, followed by Ali. Robinson was flashy but his record included a lot of losses to not great fignters.

[TheGreatA]

No he went only 40 fights unbeaten, Jake Lamotaa beat him when he was 40-0, On a UD victory. Do Lamotta did have a 16 pound weight advantage, and Robinson did defeat him 5 times.

Robinson did do once carry a amazing record of 128-1-2 going into the Randy Turpin 1st fight.

He did go 90 fights unbeaten after losing to LaMotta.

[Southpaw16BF]

He did go 90 fights unbeaten after losing to LaMotta.

Well I assumed he ment 90 fights without ever losing, which would not be true like I said, as Jake Lamotta beat him when he was 40 fights unbeaten.

[Obama]

I consider Robinson the greatest, followed by Sam Langford as a close second. A very close second. Both of them were pretty much untouchable in their primes and for the most part couldn't be beat by anyone in their natural weight class or even 1 above it (note, this is considering Langford as a natural Middleweight, even tho he started at below Welterweight and drew with one of the greatest Welterweights of all time). The fact that Langford can legitimately also be considered a top 10 Heavyweight is flat out amazing.

[portuge puncher]

he is without a doubt the greatest.

at one point he had a record of 136-1

and he has more great fights against great fighters then anyone in history.
he beat lamotta, he beat kid gallivan, he beat tommy bell, he beat rocky graziano, he beat carl olson, he beat carmine basilio, he beat gene fullmer, exc.

was the welterwieght champ
was the MW champ 5 times
almost all his losses came past his prime

HE MUST BE THE GREATEST!!!!!!!!!

[Southpaw16BF]

at one point he had a record of 136-1

His record was amazing, but it was never 136-1. Going into the Randy Turpin fight it was 128-1-2, after the defaet to Turpin it was 128-2-2.

[portuge puncher]

His record was amazing, but it was never 136-1. Going into the Randy Turpin fight it was 128-1-2, after the defaet to Turpin it was 128-2-2.

oh well, i was close, only 5 fights off.

[Kid McCoy]

Not "without a doubt" as there are a handful of others who also have a strong case for being #1, but the space between them is the width of gnat's eyelash.