Mike Tyson Vs Ray Mercer

[slicksouthpaw16]

Your talking about how Tucker was nothing but a paper champion and your forgeting Mercer was just that WBO??

Mercer not only won his belt against a good opponent in Morrison but he also beat the better line of fighters than Tucker did. Who did Tucker beat for his belt? He won the belt vacant belt against an unmotivated Buster Douglas, who was actually out boxing Tucker when he would actually try and fight. Douglas down the road actually went on and exposed your boy Tyson.

There is different level of talent and opposition between Tucker and Mercer. Mercer had great showings against peak Lewis and Holyfeld. Tyson was later to be knocked out by that very same Holyfield that fought to a close decision with Mercer.

Mercer also had great wins over Darroll Wilson, Tommy Morrison, Bert Cooper, Tim Witherspoon ect. Name the quality opposition that Tucker beat? and if you say Buster Douglas than i will seriously laugh at you.

Title for something like 9 months. Then you go on to say morrison later became a champion i really dnt know and couldnt care less what boxing comitee gave him the championship but it sure as hell isnt a half decent one. And with his glass chin he wouldnt last against tyson. Just thought id say this, as your being hypocritical by talking down paper champions wen the person your backing is nothing but a paper champion and a WBO one at that

Morrison is better than anyone that Tucker has beaten. Tucker was a paper champion that was never highly regarded nor was he ever dominant. Its just laughable the way Tyson fans throw his name in there like he was some threat to the division or was any great fighter. Decent win over an average opponent for Tyson but using him as a way of making Tyson seem better than he is will be completely irrelevant.

Great fighters beat other great fighters that are in their prime and Tyson has never done that. Honestly, if Tyson and Mercer had met, Mercer would have been the best opponent that young Tyson would have fought and honestly, i see him getting to Tyson and stopping him. Mercer is too tough and strong willed for a front runner like Tyson. Notice every time that someone fought peak Tyson back, he didn't look impressive at all? Tillis fought him back and Tillis actually made that a close fight.Tyson looked horrible in that fight. Ruddock fought Tyson back and Ruddock was just a fringe contender that was known for being in exciting fights, and Tyson against showed discouragement by going the distance with him. Like i have said before, if Tyson is fighting close fights with these fighters, then what would have happen had he fought a Riddock, a peak Lennox Lewis, a peak Holyfield, and peak Ray Mercer peak Witherspoon ect?

[The Iron Man]

The main point of me writing that was that your disrespecting paper champions and mercer was one so thats hypocritical of you. Didnt Mecer lose to Ferguson! that guy was truly awful and tyson beat him in the 6th round.

Lets look at the people they both fought :

Eddie Richardson - Both KO 1
Larry Holmes - Tyson TKO4 - Mercer Lost - UD 12 to a 4 year older holmes
Jesse Ferguson - Tyson TKO 6- Mercer Lost UD 10 - Won SD10
Holyfield - Tyson Lost TKO 11 DQ 3 - Mercer Lost UD 10
Lewis - Tyson Lost KO 8 -Mercer Lost SD 10

Holmes, ferguson, holyfield,lewis were all in Mercers Prime. Lewis' wasnt in tysons prime and arguemnts can be made about Holyfield.

[slicksouthpaw16]

The main point of me writing that was that your disrespecting paper champions and mercer was one so thats hypocritical of you. Didnt Mecer lose to Ferguson! that guy was truly awful and tyson beat him in the 6th round.

I disrespected Tucker when i said that he wasn't on the level of a peak Ray Mercer and hasn't beaten anyone? Its simply the truth. Mercer has beaten
better fighters than Tucker and IS a better fighter than Tucker. The best guy that Tucker beat was Buster Douglas and thats not impressive at all.

One, Douglas was never great in the first place and got his name from upsetting Tyson. Douglas was losing to names like Ferguson before he upset Tyson. He wasn't anything before or after the Tyson fight.

Also, Mercer loss to Ferguson only because he was fat and out of shape. Its no excuse, its obvious. The winner of that fight earned a shot at Riddock Bowe for his heavyweight titles that he won from Holyfield, in which Ferguson was easily dispatched in two rounds. Mercer beat Ferguson in the rematch.

Morrison is actually better than Tucker. Morrison has beaten good opponents like Joe Hipp, Foreman, James Tillis ( who gave Tyson a lot of problems) and he knocked out Razor Ruddock convincingly, something that Tyson couldn't do. All of these opponents add up to being better than Tucker and his opposition.

Also, Tyson didn't even stop Jesse. Ferguson was DQed for repeated holding. Tyson also struggled with him as well.

Lets look at the people they both fought :

Eddie Richardson - Both KO 1
Larry Holmes - Tyson TKO4 - Mercer Lost - UD 12 to a 4 year older holmes
Jesse Ferguson - Tyson TKO 6- Mercer Lost UD 10 - Won SD10
Holyfield - Tyson Lost TKO 11 DQ 3 - Mercer Lost UD 10
Lewis - Tyson Lost KO 8 -Mercer Lost SD 10

Holmes, ferguson, holyfield,lewis were all in Mercers Prime. Lewis' wasnt in tysons prime and arguemnts can be made about Holyfield.

Holyfield was further past his prime than Tyson was, which is why i find it laughable that Tyson fans bring that up. Evander had been beaten 3 times by the point he fought Tyson. He had loss to Bowe twice and Michael Moorer, the fight where he suffered the life threatening heart problems and had to take a year lay off. Tyson had only loss to Douglas and had been an active fighter so again, Holyfeld was further past his prime.

Styles makes fights. According to your logic, Foreman should have beaten Ali because Frazier did, who beat Ali. Just because a green Ray Mercer loss to an experienced great/veteran like Larry Holmes, doesn't mean that Tyson would beat Mercer because he knocked Holmes out. Holmes was also ring rusty when he fought Tyson. The last time he fought was two years before that and that was the trilogy's in which he was robbed twice against Michael Spinks. Holmes was an active fighter at the time he beat Mercer. Give Holmes a few wins and take away the ring rust, i wouldn't have been shocked if he was the first to upset Tyson or at least expose him a bit.

[The Iron Man]

Tyson knocked ferguson down in the 5th, and only had troubles because ferguson didnt want to fight, this was shown by the DQ which was changed to a TKO.
You talk about ring rust with Holmes wen he fought tyson, but tyson had some ring rust against holyfield, he fought 4 times before Holyfield and the only decent opponent was Bruno who is no match for tyson as we say in 89. I personly think Tyson was more out of his prime than Holyfield skills wise, age doesnt count much for prime. Again this same holyfield beat mercer, so i fail to see the point in your argument.
In your arguments your exremly hypocritical, u say mercer lost to ferguson because he wasnt in shape, tyson wasnt in shape against Douglas (according to Rooney and cayton took drastic measures in order to lose weight), but u dismiss this. You compare people who Mercer fought to tyson and wen i do this you say this (ccording to your logic, Foreman should have beaten Ali because Frazier did, who beat Ali). In reality Mercer was too one dimentional and static to beat tyson. Yeh he beat morrison, but he didnt have the chin,speed and ability to slip the jab of Tyson

[butterfly1964]

Your talking about how Tucker was nothing but a paper champion and your forgeting Mercer was just that WBO?? Title for something like 9 months. Then you go on to say morrison later became a champion i really dnt know and couldnt care less what boxing comitee gave him the championship but it sure as hell isnt a half decent one. And with his glass chin he wouldnt last against tyson. Just thought id say this, as your being hypocritical by talking down paper champions wen the person your backing is nothing but a paper champion and a WBO one at that

Amen. brother!!

[StarshipTrooper]

Mercer's chin was as good as any I've seen so I can't see him getting KOed. Tyson had a better work rate and hit harder so call it Tyson by comfortable decision.

Poet

[them_apples]

A boxers "prime" isn't only based on age, look at George foreman, George was in his mid 40's and kicking ass.

Tyson is a smaller heavyweight, his style depended heavily on his speed and energy, once a bit of that is lost things could go downhill. Holyfield was a "traditional" boxer with hitting power and great heart, this is why Holyfield is still fighting today, he can slow down all he wants and still pose a threat, if Tyson were to continue fighting he would get tied up because people would see him coming with his slow mo peek-a-boo style -- this would tire him out.

Again with foreman and even ali, they both had styles that you could be flexible with, Tyson knew only one, and that style depended heavily on his physical attributes (look how fast he was at 20!)

[MANGLER]

A shoot out Tyson would win by stoppage somewhere in rds 5-8.

[thebrownbomber_]

Ruddock was never champion but was a good fighter. He was the kind of fighters that puts up good effort but always came up short in his biggest fights. He was not close to being on the level of peak Ray Mercer.

Tucker was a paper champion and got his hands on a paper belt. He has never impressed me or shown that he was ever an elite fighter. Not in Mercer's league either. Tucker was a pure boxer, Mercer was a come forward boxer/puncher that had a cast iron chin. His style is all wrong for Tyson. Tyson liked to be the bully and Mercer wouldn't allow that to happen. Tyson liked his opponents grabbing and moving and Ray is actually bigger then Tyson. He would offset Tyson's game by pushing him back and discouraging him. Douglas, Ruddock, Holyifeld ect all push Tyson back and he didn't look impressive at all.

Mercer was a very good fighter tough, powerful, strong willed and could never be taken lightly by any of the greats. He fought to a close fight with peak Lewis and Evander Holyfield. He beat Morrison who later became champion and a good name around boxing.

And lost to jesse ferguson and grandfather holmes

[thebrownbomber_]

I disrespected Tucker when i said that he wasn't on the level of a peak Ray Mercer and hasn't beaten anyone? Its simply the truth. Mercer has beaten
better fighters than Tucker and IS a better fighter than Tucker. The best guy that Tucker beat was Buster Douglas and thats not impressive at all.

One, Douglas was never great in the first place and got his name from upsetting Tyson. Douglas was losing to names like Ferguson before he upset Tyson. He wasn't anything before or after the Tyson fight.

Also, Mercer loss to Ferguson only because he was fat and out of shape. Its no excuse, its obvious. The winner of that fight earned a shot at Riddock Bowe for his heavyweight titles that he won from Holyfield, in which Ferguson was easily dispatched in two rounds. Mercer beat Ferguson in the rematch.

Morrison is actually better than Tucker. Morrison has beaten good opponents like Joe Hipp, Foreman, James Tillis ( who gave Tyson a lot of problems) and he knocked out Razor Ruddock convincingly, something that Tyson couldn't do. All of these opponents add up to being better than Tucker and his opposition.

Also, Tyson didn't even stop Jesse. Ferguson was DQed for repeated holding. Tyson also struggled with him as well.




Holyfield was further past his prime than Tyson was, which is why i find it laughable that Tyson fans bring that up. Evander had been beaten 3 times by the point he fought Tyson. He had loss to Bowe twice and Michael Moorer, the fight where he suffered the life threatening heart problems and had to take a year lay off. Tyson had only loss to Douglas and had been an active fighter so again, Holyfeld was further past his prime.

Styles makes fights. According to your logic, Foreman should have beaten Ali because Frazier did, who beat Ali. Just because a green Ray Mercer loss to an experienced great/veteran like Larry Holmes, doesn't mean that Tyson would beat Mercer because he knocked Holmes out. Holmes was also ring rusty when he fought Tyson. The last time he fought was two years before that and that was the trilogy's in which he was robbed twice against Michael Spinks. Holmes was an active fighter at the time he beat Mercer. Give Holmes a few wins and take away the ring rust, i wouldn't have been shocked if he was the first to upset Tyson or at least expose him a bit.

Ferguson literally outboxed mercer the second time as well lol. Mercer literally had no anwser for morrison until morrison gassed out. Tyson would destroy mercer. Mercer is overrated.