George Foreman : Overrated?

[butterfly1964]

I think sometimes I even overrate him. It's hard not to. All that power and physical strength is quite a package.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

stylistically foreman owns tyson, tyson would get forced back by foreman and eventually knocked out.

Stylistically Tyson owns Foreman for many reasons. 1) Unlike Foreman, Tyson had great head movement. Foremans punches were not short, so in other words they were very easy to see. Tyson was the best at slipping punches while moving forward. 2) Foreman had no head movement. When the bombs were flying, his only defense was to lock his arms up so you couldn't punch around them. But, Tyson threw very fast and powerful combinations from every different angle. If you don't move back, grab, or move your head, your going down. 3) Tyson had the technical skill to counter punches, Foreman didn't (or at least not on the same level). 4) Tyson threw much shorter and faster punches, Foreman didn't have the reflexes or defense to get away from them. Guys like Ali, Holmes, Lewis, and Johnson would have been tough for Tyson to beat because of their defense alone. Foreman was just made to order plain and simple. But unlike you, I give the other opponent a punchers chance. LOL

tyson made no secret that he was scared of foreman but cus had previousl shown him lots of videos of foreman destroying opponents, telling yson he has to be THAT destructive.

It's just human to be afraid. Every man has his weaknesses, fears, and insecurities. Foreman or any other fighter was not this fearless, flawless, knockout machine you might see him as.

with tyson's fragile mind that would be enough!

It's that fear a fighter needs to be at his best. It ensures your going to really watch for each punch and hit when the opportunity comes. A fighter with no fear is at a disadvantage. Foreman even said he was scared to death of Joe Frazier, many times.

[them_apples]

good god you dont even know much about recent boxing history do you? Foreman wanted to fight tyson but tyson did not want that fight. Also, tyson was not afraid of everyone, thats bull****. But the last statement that i quoted is the ******est thing to say...so when you get older, ur chin gets better? wow how come we dont have 60 plus year old boxers with cast iron jaws?

Thanks captain ******,

foreman wanted to fight Tyson? Thats BS

Tyson was not afraid of anyone? where the hell is your head at? Have you watched any Tyson documentaries at all? Tyson for the first half of his career was a very respectful boxer and actually was scared of entering the ring, its only later on in his career that he threw up the ****y wall of "fearless".

I said Foreman's Jaw got harder, you worded it like I said it's some natural occurance that your jaw gets harder. Shut the hell up and only take things out of context.

[Hawkins]

Stylistically Tyson owns Foreman for many reasons. 1) Unlike Foreman, Tyson had great head movement. Foremans punches were not short, so in other words they were very easy to see. Tyson was the best at slipping punches while moving forward. 2) Foreman had no head movement. When the bombs were flying, his only defense was to lock his arms up so you couldn't punch around them. But, Tyson threw very fast and powerful combinations from every different angle. If you don't move back, grab, or move your head, your going down. 3) Tyson had the technical skill to counter punches, Foreman didn't (or at least not on the same level). 4) Tyson threw much shorter and faster punches, Foreman didn't have the reflexes or defense to get away from them. Guys like Ali, Holmes, Lewis, and Johnson would have been tough for Tyson to beat because of their defense alone. Foreman was just made to order plain and simple. But unlike you, I give the other opponent a punchers chance. LOL

I think one area that Tyson would be at a distinct disadvantage would be he would play right into Foreman's hands by coming straight forward. Joe Frazier and Ken Norton made the same mistake. Granted Tyson has greater overall technical skills than Frazier or Norton it still should give at least an idea.

Foreman is at his utmost best when he has a guy coming straight at you. Tyson has more head/shoulder than does Frazier but he'd still be easy to land a punch on. In his youth Foreman's punches mostly came from the side and rarely over the top.

Personally I think it could go either way.

But I'm going to quit while I'm ahead, if not we'll be overflowing with Tyson/Foreman topics lol

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Not to beat a dead horse, but I'm kind of wondering how he got afford such a lofty perch while others didn't get the same pass. Is based totally on knockouts/impressiveness? If so, Mike Tyson was more impressive.

I think maybe someone else in this thread touched on abit of the mystique and thats he was a champion in the greatest era of heavyweight boxing, combine that with his demolition of Frazier and you have the automatic anointment of greatness.

However in a more panoramic view its less clear..well to me anyway. I think I'm going to retool my evaluation/rankings process, because it's clear to me it's flawed somewhere, and give the heavyweights another go.

I think the big thing about Foreman was that he knocked out two very, very, good fighters back to back in two rounds. There's no explaining it away as a fluke. With his limited skills, there were still some fighters made to order for him.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

I think one area that Tyson would be at a distinct disadvantage would be he would play right into Foreman's hands by coming straight forward. Joe Frazier and Ken Norton made the same mistake. Granted Tyson has greater overall technical skills than Frazier or Norton it still should give at least an idea.

Foreman is at his utmost best when he has a guy coming straight at you. Tyson has more head/shoulder than does Frazier but he'd still be easy to land a punch on. In his youth Foreman's punches mostly came from the side and rarely over the top.

Personally I think it could go either way.

But I'm going to quit while I'm ahead, if not we'll be overflowing with Tyson/Foreman topics lol

That's funny because I see Foreman coming forward as playing into Tysons hands as well. It would have been a great fight.

[Jim Jeffries]

You joined the same month.

Glad you've seen the light. lol

Tyson ****** after he got rid of Rooney. Everyone that really knows his career knows that, so using that Tyson to further your cause is ridiculous and just goes to show what you really know on the subject. Matching both against each other in their primes is the only way to go. If we match them at age 39, Foreman wins hands down. Dude, you really don't know **** about boxing. LOL

Yeah Tyson ****** after he got rid of Rooney because he was no longer fighting BUMS. He did look good fighting tomatoe cans though. Look up Tye Fields, he has fought similar guys that Tyson, but with more impressive results. And Tye Fields is a BUM.

[Hawkins]

That's funny because I see Foreman coming forward as playing into Tysons hands as well. It would have been a great fight.

Well I agree, thats why I say it could go either way. Tailor made for each other. But to clarify I just pointed it out as the other side of the same coin you were presenting for Mike.

[Jim Jeffries]

I think the big thing about Foreman was that he knocked out two very, very, good fighters back to back in two rounds. There's no explaining it away as a fluke. With his limited skills, there were still some fighters made to order for him.

Yup, like Mike Tyson.

[hemichromis]

good god you dont even know much about recent boxing history do you? Foreman wanted to fight tyson but tyson did not want that fight. Also, tyson was not afraid of everyone, thats bull****. But the last statement that i quoted is the ******est thing to say...so when you get older, ur chin gets better? wow how come we dont have 60 plus year old boxers with cast iron jaws?

ali's got better
hearns' got better depite going up in weight
foremans also seemed to gt better

i canot think of why this would happen but it seems too.