BEST POUND 4 POUND CHAMP EVER? and top 10

[wmute]

We need to see Hagler more in these lists!

He is my favorite fighter ever, but unfortunately he does not belong in top 10 p4p all time.

[sterling]

So you base your list on over all skill? Or..? (Just curious)

Yeh based on skill to be onest thats the way i based my list on and Ali fought 2 wieght classes light heavy at olympics and heavy when pro and also had hand speed as a welter wieght so he could of easliy became a pound 4 pound fighter.

[Lubutheimmortal]

Yeh based on skill to be onest thats the way i based my list on and Ali fought 2 wieght classes light heavy at olympics and heavy when pro and also had hand speed as a welter wieght so he could of easliy became a pound 4 pound fighter.

Thx for the reply. I do mine slighty different. I add in several elements apart from talent/skill. I factor in opponents beating, chin, heart, well....just anything I deem important that a fighter should have. Nothing against your way at all like I said I was just curious in your ranks, and I understand your reason.

[-Hyperion-]

Robinson
Jones Jr
Armstrong
Duran
Pep

[Lubutheimmortal]

Alot of ppl are putting Jones. Didnt expect that honestly. His chin is weak, and I dont believe his def. is rly all that great. His reflexes are up there w/ Ali, Robinsons, and ect. His power p4p is amazing, hand n foot speed again amazing. But his chin, and lack of blocking use doesnt make my list.. . Just my thoughts.

[Brassangel]

Marvin Hagler was absolutely dominating in his weight class. Pound-for-pound should take things like this into consideration. Just because he was disciplined, and chose to stay in the same shape for his entire career, should not demote him from the list of elites. If Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali, who fought only at heavyweight, can make this list, Marvin Hagler deserves to be mentioned in the same sentence.

Also, Jones' poor blocking skills were still superior to those of Muhammad Ali's. There were many analysts, former champions, and critics of the sport who observed his [Ali's] fights up close, as well as his training sessions, and they said that Ali simply didn't know how to block a jab, so he leaned away from it. This is evident in Ali's later career where he simply took beatings and tried to outlast his opponents.

Jones never even suffered his first defeat (he was definitely not losing during the DQ) until the age of 35, after moving up to heavyweight (30+ pounds above his natural weight), then weight draining himself to make it back down to light heavyweight, only to face a strong contender in Tarver. Oh yeah, Jones still won the first time too. I would say that Roy Jones Jr., with the amazing talent, speed, and other attributes, could take many of the other fighters on the list(s) presented, as well as earn their respect given his championship accomplishments. Probably somewhere between 6-10.

[Lubutheimmortal]

Marvin Hagler was absolutely dominating in his weight class. Pound-for-pound should take things like this into consideration. Just because he was disciplined, and chose to stay in the same shape for his entire career, should not demote him from the list of elites. If Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali, who fought only at heavyweight, can make this list, Marvin Hagler deserves to be mentioned in the same sentence.

Also, Jones' poor blocking skills were still superior to those of Muhammad Ali's. There were many analysts, former champions, and critics of the sport who observed his [Ali's] fights up close, as well as his training sessions, and they said that Ali simply didn't know how to block a jab, so he leaned away from it. This is evident in Ali's later career where he simply took beatings and tried to outlast his opponents.

Jones never even suffered his first defeat (he was definitely not losing during the DQ) until the age of 35, after moving up to heavyweight (30+ pounds above his natural weight), then weight draining himself to make it back down to light heavyweight, only to face a strong contender in Tarver. Oh yeah, Jones still won the first time too. I would say that Roy Jones Jr., with the amazing talent, speed, and other attributes, could take many of the other fighters on the list(s) presented, as well as earn their respect given his championship accomplishments. Probably somewhere between 6-10.

True but Ali had something Jones doesnt,....a iron chin. Which is needed to be a all time great. Your have be able to take what you give. Ali, Robinson, Louis, Duran, Hagler, Leonard, and on and on proved this. Jones proved he had no heart, or chin w/ Tarver and Johnson. Ali couldnt block at all yes, but he made up for that w/ a chin that could take a punch. Sooo since Jones doesnt block and cant take a good punch, what happenes when he faces a all time great? My outlook on things.

[floydfan]

Thank you for someone finally including Pernell Whitaker,Incredibly talented and fought the best in his years.Entertaining style and good ring gerneral ship.

[sterling]

Well to be a p4p fighter you have to at least have something to do with other wieght classes even having a hand speed of another class but hagler stuck to his own wieght class yeh he was a great fighter but not p4p quality.
Ali hardly had to block a jab because he would out jab every single opponant he had one of the best jabs every seen in boxing opponants would throw the jab then Ali would throw it back faster ,harder and more accurate plus he had great leaning ability also reflexes it was very hard to out jab ali in his prime anyway.

[Krucial]

jones actually has a decent chin
against hanshaw i seen em get hit wit shots that made me think he was gettin ko'd again
but he proved me wrong