Top 10 Heavies from best to worst

[QueensburyRules]

I've already disected and destroyed this thought process. During Holmes reign there were 8 WBA champions with a total of 4 defenses between them. Who and when was he supposed to fight one of them? And when he did try to fight one of them the fight fell apart through no fault of his own. Stop trying to rewrite history Queenie.

- - They was all DKing fighters, so he coulda fought all of them during their titles or afterwards. He refused and gave up his fraudulent WBC title when he refused to fight his mandatory, Greg Page, you know, he and Weaver went to South Africa to fight Gerrie after Holmesey ducked that fight.

Only thing U dissected was the desiccated brain cell remaining in U thick noggin...

[JAB5239]

- - They was all DKing fighters, so he coulda fought all of them during their titles or afterwards. He refused and gave up his fraudulent WBC title when he refused to fight his mandatory, Greg Page, you know, he and Weaver went to South Africa to fight Gerrie after Holmesey ducked that fight.

Only thing U dissected was the desiccated brain cell remaining in U thick noggin...

During their titles or afterwards you say. My retort.....Ali, Weaver, Witherspoon and Smith.

Do you really want to get into aparthied argument again? You didn't fare very well last time.

[QueensburyRules]

- - I'll add Big John Tate, Olympic Gold Medalist among the many others willing to show South Africans what Americans can do.

[JAB5239]

- - I'll add Big John Tate, Olympic Gold Medalist among the many others willing to show South Africans what Americans can do.

Willing to sell out for a payday is what you mean.

[edgarg]

10.Lennox Lewis : Defeated every man he went in the ring with, which is not something many boxers can say. Greatest ever british boxer extremely smart in the ring and very powerful.


9.Jack Johnson: The first "Real heavyweight" and extremley talented boxer, he would take opponents all the way just to punish them. If he fought in a more modern era he may have been higher in the list, but he fought many middle weights and light heavyweights.

8.Jack Dempsey: Was one of the most Dominant fighters, amazingly powerful and could knock you out with either Hand!!

7.Larry Holmes: Had probably the best left jab ever in the Heavyweight division.Living in the Shadow of Ali, it was very hard for holmes to make as much of an impact but he did this with an 8 year run as heavyweight champ

6.Joe Frazier: The First person to ever beat ali, fought in the "golden era" of boxing and was one of the best! had one of the best left hooks in boxing history. He had a iron chin, and was part of some of the best ever fights.

5.George Foreman: He not only has one hell of a grill, he had one hell of a punch that knocked down frazier 6 times in one round!! He retired and came back to boxing to become the oldest heavyweight champion of all time at the age of 45 which was 20 years after he lost it to Ali

4.Mike Tyson: The Youngest ever Heavy weight Champion, and the 1st to unify 3 major belts and become the undisputed champion. If Tyson had kept Rooney, he would most probably be #1. The most dominant boxer ever in there prime. He had incredible speed and power, a combination of the two that never been seen and probably never will be. He had the greatest ever left hook. His Opponent feared him so much that they would concentrate on not getting hit rather than winning, its a shame he didn’t keep on the right track.. but nether the less he is still 4th.

3.Rocky Marciano: 49-0, the only heavyweight champion in this list never to lost a fight. His power and stamina were incredible the same goes for his chin. And it looks like his record will never be defeated


2.Muhammad Ali: "The Greatest" well almost, easily the quickest heavyweight of all time, and fought in many of the Greatest ever fights. He dominated at a time with many other great boxers, two others who are in the list. Regaining the Title twice he was an awesome athlete

1.Joe Louis: 25 title defences a record that has never been broken! He was technically gifted as well as having a devastating punch that got him the #1 place in ESPNs Greatest Punchers. Lethal with both arms, this man earns his place in my List!


My List changes all the time, but not many leave the list apart from Lewis and Holyfield or liston enter

Neither Frazier nor Marciano doesn't deserve to be on the list. Tyson should,be m higher. #3 behind Johnson and Joe Louis. Johnson didn't go the distance just to punish his opponents. You forget the era and the race hate. .. The spectators were mostly white, and wanted long fights, particularly 2 negros beating one another up.. Johnson often held his opponent up to prevent him from falling after a KD type punch. if it was too early in the fight. He HAD to give value for money.

For example look at the film of Johnson and Sam Langford, whom he beat all a round the ring, and held him up several times when he otherwise would have gone down.

[edgarg]

brassangel - Thanks for your responses, not a bad list. Obviously I disagree with the order of the top 10 as mine was different. But we all have our own reason's, I'll explain mine if you want me to. In regards to the later posting, I'd say I agree with your assessment that in a best of 3 Ali probably would come out on top against all other fighters at least 2-1, with the next best probably Lewis and Holmes. Tyson probably was the most dominent in his prime, but as you may have seen my other articles, I don't think he fulfilled his potential also who did he really beat in his prime. In many boxing ****zines, KO and Ring etc, the heavyweight division was regarded as being in one of it's worst states ever during the 80's, which is why Tyson looked so good. I think even considering Lewis getting knocked out by McCall and Rahman, 2 defeats which he avenged that he was in the top 3 greatest of all-time. Consider tactically brilliant,very fast for a big guy,great jab,fantastic power in both hands,could throw combinations,had every punch in the book,great chin despite what people say,look on youtube entitled Lennox had a great chin and see how many punches he took full on against some of the biggest punchers around, the 2 defeats he switched off and was overconfident, and they were great punches that put him down. Remember anyone can get knocked out in the heavyweights, McCall and Rahman despite their weaknesses as boxers could both ****. Lewis was always better against better opposition. He had more title fights than everyone else with the exception of Ali,Holmes and Holyfield. He beat everyone he ever faced and also beat the 2 other greats of his era, a lot of people say they were over the hill, but so was Lewis, he was just as old when he fought them. And apart from the 70's the heavyweight division was never stronger, so the quality of his opponents were better than in other eras, for example Joe Louis and his bum of the month(I'm not dissing Louis in any way, it wasn't his fault, he reigned for so long and had record number of defenses, so hat off to him, he's a legend. His quality of opposition though wasn't great) Also Lewis fought everyone there was to fight in his era and beat them all, with the exception of Bowe and Moorer. Bowe didn't want a piece of Lewis, and Lewis would have got rid of him in 6 rounds, and Moorer well, if a 45 yr old Foreman could knock him out, i'm sure Lewis would have done as well. Another thing Lewis was it seemed to me at some points being frozen out of the heavyweight picture, America wanted and american champion, despite this he still persisted with his dream and won the title 3 times, from 1992 until 2003 and became undisputed champ as well. Apart from 2 blips he reigned for 11 yrs. Taking all that into account not many can match or better achievments, which is why he deserves to be in the top 3.

Forget about the "bum of the month" that was a smart alec quip by a news reporter. Most of them were not "bums". He forught tthe best available and ducked nobody.
Not over the hill and never wases like Mariano who should, not have been on that list at all. Many of Marciano's opponents who were not 90 years old with 200 fights, were young kids who often had their first 15-20 fights against even worse opponents who had almost no wins at all. Look them up, Maricano's opponents; records, you'll see what I mean. a Manufactured Champion and Mob connected.. Nearly all hia good name fighters had 80-120 fights before he fought them.
The Mob controlled boxing inn those days and I mean CONTROLLED.

[Willie Pep 229]

Neither Frazier nor Marciano doesn't deserve to be on the list. Tyson should,be m higher. #3 behind Johnson and Joe Louis. Johnson didn't go the distance just to punish his opponents. You forget the era and the race hate. .. The spectators were mostly white, and wanted long fights, particularly 2 negros beating one another up.. Johnson often held his opponent up to prevent him from falling after a KD type punch. if it was too early in the fight. He HAD to give value for money.

For example look at the film of Johnson and Sam Langford, whom he beat all a round the ring, and held him up several times when he otherwise would have gone down.

You've seen film footage of Johnson v Langford? I can't find that, only documentaries talking about it not, not any actual fight footage.

[StarshipTrooper]

Neither Frazier nor Marciano doesn't deserve to be on the list. Tyson should,be m higher. #3 behind Johnson and Joe Louis. Johnson didn't go the distance just to punish his opponents. You forget the era and the race hate. .. The spectators were mostly white, and wanted long fights, particularly 2 negros beating one another up.. Johnson often held his opponent up to prevent him from falling after a KD type punch. if it was too early in the fight. He HAD to give value for money.

For example look at the film of Johnson and Sam Langford, whom he beat all a round the ring, and held him up several times when he otherwise would have gone down.

Tyson 3rd all-time? While I agree he's now criminally underrated, the reason he became criminally underrated in the first place was because of asinine nuthuggery like rating him a top-3 ATG by fan-bois who had nothing better to do than to stan their personal favorites on-line causing a backlash

[JAB5239]

You've seen film footage of Johnson v Langford? I can't find that, only documentaries talking about it not, not any actual fight footage.

There is no footage of Jonson-Langford. If there is it's buried in a drawer next to the Robinson-Pep amateur fight. I have read unforgivable blackness and Clay Moyles book on Langford and do not remember any mention of this fight being filmed, let alone any surviving film. Both books were meticulously researched.

[Willie Pep 229]

There is no footage of Jonson-Langford. If there is it's buried in a drawer next to the Robinson-Pep amateur fight. I have read unforgivable blackness and Clay Moyles book on Langford and do not remember any mention of this fight being filmed, let alone any surviving film. Both books were meticulously researched.

So thought I. The guy had said that JJ was holding Langford up and I couldn't figure out how he concluded that.