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[HOUDINI563]

[Bundana]

Louis was the most technically accomplished heavyweight fighter ever to live. He could box like few others. He could punch like few others and his hand speed and combo punching were off the charts. Very very few heavyweights would beat him at his best no matter the era.

Regarding today’s generation looking at old films and coming to conclusions that’s pure crap. Very few know what they are looking at. There was a boxing writer who supposedly looked at old fight films and wrote a critique of Dempsey so off the mark it was over the top ridiculous. Just one load of pure unadulterated crap.

Could you provide us with a link to that critique of Dempsey - so we can judge for ourselves?

[BKM-]

Louis was the most technically accomplished heavyweight fighter ever to live. He could box like few others. He could punch like few others and his hand speed and combo punching were off the charts. Very very few heavyweights would beat him at his best no matter the era.

So all the times he got decked by mediocre opponents and also KO'd in his prime was that a part of him being the most technically accomplished HW ever? Rusty calls those instances "Louis just being cheeky" I'm just wondering what you call it.

[Rusty Tromboni]

My post was not about who was better!

I'm merely trying to explain, how it's pretty much a given, that old-timers who saw both in action would back Dempsey - as they would have been young, impressionable men, when they watched him in the ring.


I would take the opinion of younger "historians", who never saw either in the flesh, but base their opinion on the footage available - over those who saw both men in the ring.

Well said. Sorry for my misinterpretation.


I think watching a fight live is really fun. And sometimes certain things will stick out more obviously.

But the emotions of the moment can obfuscate the reality.

Less over the past years, and not at all presently, but I would always go to fights. Local MMA shows. Sometimes I would corner guys, if a fill in was needed. TBH, it's like two different fights, what you saw in person and what you see later on film.

So, while I won't pretend watching fights on film fully replicates the experience of watching it live. I do believe it's the more balanced and neutral way of evaluating a fight. Jack is just so much more impressive than Rocky.

[Rusty Tromboni]

- -Something I identified on ye Olde AOL forum at the turn of the millennium.

Who did you used to post as?


I used to get so ridiculed with my ****** questions.


It was kinda funny.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Louis was the most technically accomplished heavyweight fighter ever to live. He could box like few others. He could punch like few others and his hand speed and combo punching were off the charts. Very very few heavyweights would beat him at his best no matter the era.

Regarding today’s generation looking at old films and coming to conclusions that’s pure crap. Very few know what they are looking at. There was a boxing writer who supposedly looked at old fight films and wrote a critique of Dempsey so off the mark it was over the top ridiculous. Just one load of pure unadulterated crap.

Give us examples of when he actually Boxed.


Louis was way too static and way too easy to hit.


I actually think he does MUCH, MUCH better today. He'd be able to bulk up and fight for shorter rounds. It's true today's gloves are bigger, and defensive fighters are immeasurably better received, but the void of mobile skilled athletes above 200 pounds means that tthe further forward in history he shows up, the more likely he is to find guys incapable of evading his life-altering beatdown.

Obviously he'd never be invincible. A good mover always beats him. A great puncher could beat him in a shoot-out. A guy like Fury ****s him. But 9 times out of 10 he's facing big uglies who are there for nothing more than to get KO'd.

[HOUDINI563]

Getting knocked down getting up and winning is a sign of AT greatness in actuality.

Losing to Schmeling, a great fighter, who was either a leading contender or heavyweight champion for a decade is no shame. You forget to add that Louis in the return match won by 1st round KO.

Other than his loss vs Schmeling as a two year pro Louis was only stopped in the final bout of his career by future champion Marciano.

You misinterpret that the reason Louis is rated by everyone who knows the sport top 2 is his long title reign and what he meant to America during the war years. Very false interpretation. Louis has the credentials but he is also the most technically proficient of any heavyweight champion. Very fine mixture of boxer and puncher. Could do it all. He could sidestep and counterpunch and knock an opponent dead with one punch from either fist. His combination punching is unsurpassed at any weight. Watch the video I posted.

[HOUDINI563]

[Rusty Tromboni]

So all the times he got decked by mediocre opponents and also KO'd in his prime was that a part of him being the most technically accomplished HW ever? Rusty calls those instances "Louis just being cheeky" I'm just wondering what you call it.

Houdini really has no idea what he is on about.

He has an encyclopedic knowledge of things written about fighters. He conflates this with actual knowledge. At some point the words he shares here were put to print. And while he is great at cataloging those attestations, he's not particularly good at analyzing them. He definitely lacks the Boxing experience to evaluate their veracity out-right.

Holyfield and Harold Johnson were technically sound boxer, even more so than Louis. But believe that is the way in which Louis was being described as and Houdini took it to mean Louis was a heavyweight Eder Jofre. Clearly not, but again, he only goes of his interpretation of the opinions of others.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Getting knocked down getting up and winning is a sign of AT greatness in actuality.

Losing to Schmeling, a great fighter, who was either a leading contender or heavyweight champion for a decade is no shame. You forget to add that Louis in the return match won by 1st round KO.

Schmelign was old when he beat Louis.

He was ancient when Louis avenged the loss.


Your ******ity, again, on full display.