I'd have to do more research on both of them but Id love to read about them and watch the little bit of footage thats available. I plan on doing so...
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Originally posted by Floyd Sinclair View PostI'd have to do more research on both of them but Id love to read about them and watch the little bit of footage thats available. I plan on doing so...
If you can get these two books. Both put the era's and competition into great perspective. You may not change your mind about where you rate SRR, and thats fine, but you'll have a greater understanding and appreciation of two guys who undoubtedly (in my opinion) belong at the very least in the p4p top 5 all time.
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Heres my updated top 100. I moved Wlad up several spots to #78 after his win against Haye.
1. Lennox Lewis
2. Max Schmelling
3. Joe Louis
4. Bob Fitzsimmons
5. George Foreman
6. John L Sullivan
7. Max Baer
8. Sonny Liston
9. Mike Tyson
10. Vitali Klitschko
11. Muhammad Ali
12. Harry Wills
13. Gene Tunney
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jack Dempsey
16. Rid**** Bowe
17. Joe Frazier
18. Larry Holmes
19. Jack Johnson
20. Samuel Langford
21. Gentleman Jim Corbett
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Jim Jeffries
24. Oliver Mccall
25. Earnie Shavers
26. David Tua
27. Young Stribling
28. Tommy Morrison
29. Paddy Ryan
30. Frank Bruno
31. Peter Jackson
32. Primo Carnera
33. Jersey Joe Walcott
34. George Chuvalo
35. Buster Douglas
36. Buddy Baer
37. Jess Willard
38. Jerry Quarry
39. James Braddock
40. Ike Ibeabucci
41. Ezzard Charles
42. Floyd Patterson
43. Jack Sharkey
44. Ingemar Johannsen
45. Joe Jeanette
46. Kenneth Norton
47. Sir Henry cooper
48. Jimmy Young
49. Razor Ruddock
50. Two-Ton Tony Galento
51. Tommy Farr
52. Tim Witherspoon
53. Lou Nova
54. Earnie Terell
55. Michael Spinks
56. Marvin Hart
57. Bruce Wood****
58. Peter Maher
59. Tony Tucker
60. Corrie Sanders
61. Bob Pastor
62. Trevor Berbick
63. Tami Moriello
64. Lamon Brewster
65. Willie Meehan
66. Tommy Burns
67. Ray Mercer
68. Don ****ell
69. Billy Miske
70. Shannon Briggs
71. Ross Puritty
72. Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
73. Hasim Rahman
74. Fireman Jim Flynn
75. Lamar Clark
76. Bob Foster
77. Fred Fulton
78. Wladimir Klitschko
79. Andrew Golota
80. KO Sweeny
81. Leon Spinks
82. Lou Nova
83. Charley Mitchell
84. David Haye
85. Timo Hoffmann
86. Tom Sharkey
87. Brian London
88. Jack London
89. Oscar Bonavena
90. Michael Grant
91. Jack Burke
92. Charles Kidd mccoy
93. Chris Byrd
94. Zora Folley
95. John Ruiz
96. Sam Peter
97. Charlie retzlaff
98. Nikolai Valuev
99. Pinklon Thomas
100. Tomasz Adamek
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Originally posted by Joeyzagz View PostHeres my updated top 100. I moved Wlad up several spots to #78 after his win against Haye.
1. Lennox Lewis
2. Max Schmelling
3. Joe Louis
4. Bob Fitzsimmons
5. George Foreman
6. John L Sullivan
7. Max Baer
8. Sonny Liston
9. Mike Tyson
10. Vitali Klitschko
11. Muhammad Ali
12. Harry Wills
13. Gene Tunney
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jack Dempsey
16. Rid**** Bowe
17. Joe Frazier
18. Larry Holmes
19. Jack Johnson
20. Samuel Langford
21. Gentleman Jim Corbett
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Jim Jeffries
24. Oliver Mccall
25. Earnie Shavers
26. David Tua
27. Young Stribling
28. Tommy Morrison
29. Paddy Ryan
30. Frank Bruno
31. Peter Jackson
32. Primo Carnera
33. Jersey Joe Walcott
34. George Chuvalo
35. Buster Douglas
36. Buddy Baer
37. Jess Willard
38. Jerry Quarry
39. James Braddock
40. Ike Ibeabucci
41. Ezzard Charles
42. Floyd Patterson
43. Jack Sharkey
44. Ingemar Johannsen
45. Joe Jeanette
46. Kenneth Norton
47. Sir Henry cooper
48. Jimmy Young
49. Razor Ruddock
50. Two-Ton Tony Galento
51. Tommy Farr
52. Tim Witherspoon
53. Lou Nova
54. Earnie Terell
55. Michael Spinks
56. Marvin Hart
57. Bruce Wood****
58. Peter Maher
59. Tony Tucker
60. Corrie Sanders
61. Bob Pastor
62. Trevor Berbick
63. Tami Moriello
64. Lamon Brewster
65. Willie Meehan
66. Tommy Burns
67. Ray Mercer
68. Don ****ell
69. Billy Miske
70. Shannon Briggs
71. Ross Puritty
72. Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
73. Hasim Rahman
74. Fireman Jim Flynn
75. Lamar Clark
76. Bob Foster
77. Fred Fulton
78. Wladimir Klitschko
79. Andrew Golota
80. KO Sweeny
81. Leon Spinks
82. Lou Nova
83. Charley Mitchell
84. David Haye
85. Timo Hoffmann
86. Tom Sharkey
87. Brian London
88. Jack London
89. Oscar Bonavena
90. Michael Grant
91. Jack Burke
92. Charles Kidd mccoy
93. Chris Byrd
94. Zora Folley
95. John Ruiz
96. Sam Peter
97. Charlie retzlaff
98. Nikolai Valuev
99. Pinklon Thomas
100. Tomasz Adamek
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Ali, Louis, Lewis, , Marciano, Dempsey,Holyfield, Wladimir Klitschko, Foreman, Tunney, Vitali Klitschko,Frazier
My top 11. . . Based on a combination of accomplishments and who would win based on completely subjective opinion. . . I simply can't see anybody aside from Ali and Lewis clearly having a chance of beating the Klitschko Brothers
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Originally posted by Joeyzagz View PostHeres my updated top 100. I moved Wlad up several spots to #78 after his win against Haye.
1. Lennox Lewis - not top 10.
2. Max Schmelling - not top 20
3. Joe Louis - YAY !!
4. Bob Fitzsimmons You kidding ?... Jeffries is better for a start.........
5. George Foreman - not top 10.
6. John L Sullivan at least 6 spots too high.
7. Max Baer BAER at 7 ???.... how did you arrive at this ???
8. Sonny Liston TOO HIGH. Quitters are not in a top 10.
9. Mike Tyson - Holyfield ?????
10. Vitali Klitschko
11. Muhammad Ali So you don't rate this guy ????
12. Harry Wills
13. Gene Tunney
14. Rocky Marciano Got to be 7 places too low at least 49-0..42 K.O.'s ???????????????????????????
15. Jack Dempsey At least 10th, and if you think Tunney better than a prime Dempsey... you must be reading funny books.
16. Rid**** Bowe 30 places too high.... where are his achievements ????
17. Joe Frazier at least 5 places TOO LOW. he beats Scmeling, Fitz and Baer big time.
18. Larry Holmes
19. Jack Johnson Underrated here.
20. Samuel Langford
21. Gentleman Jim Corbett
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Jim Jeffries Oh come on man.... this guy was one of THE BEST...... the opinions of the old-timers mean nothing ???
24. Oliver Mccall Should be no more than 100th..... the big CRY-BABY.
25. Earnie Shavers
26. David Tua Your'e saying that he was greater than Peter Jackson ??
27. Young Stribling NEWS FLASH !!!.. Stribling a better fighter than Peter Jackson too. ?????... what the ????
28. Tommy Morrison Peter Jackson was 10 times better than morrison.
29. Paddy Ryan
30. Frank Bruno
31. Peter Jackson Man you underrate Peter don't you ???
32. Primo Carnera
33. Jersey Joe Walcott
34. George Chuvalo
35. Buster Douglas
36. Buddy Baer This guy was nowhere near great, and nowhere near this high.
37. Jess Willard
38. Jerry Quarry
39. James Braddock
40. Ike Ibeabucci
41. Ezzard Charles
42. Floyd Patterson
43. Jack Sharkey
44. Ingemar Johannsen
45. Joe Jeanette
46. Kenneth Norton
47. Sir Henry cooper
48. Jimmy Young
49. Razor Ruddock
50. Two-Ton Tony Galento
51. Tommy Farr
52. Tim Witherspoon
53. Lou Nova
54. Earnie Terell
55. Michael Spinks
56. Marvin Hart
57. Bruce Wood****
58. Peter Maher
59. Tony Tucker
60. Corrie Sanders
61. Bob Pastor
62. Trevor Berbick
63. Tami Moriello
64. Lamon Brewster
65. Willie Meehan
66. Tommy Burns
67. Ray Mercer
68. Don ****ell
69. Billy Miske
70. Shannon Briggs
71. Ross Puritty
72. Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
73. Hasim Rahman
74. Fireman Jim Flynn
75. Lamar Clark
76. Bob Foster
77. Fred Fulton
78. Wladimir Klitschko
79. Andrew Golota
80. KO Sweeny
81. Leon Spinks PADDY SLAVIN IS BETTER THAN spinks........ you should have Slavin at least about 60th.... but did you name him in your 100 ??????
82. Lou Nova
83. Charley Mitchell
84. David Haye
85. Timo Hoffmann
86. Tom Sharkey
87. Brian London
88. Jack London
89. Oscar Bonavena
90. Michael Grant
91. Jack Burke
92. Charles Kidd mccoy
93. Chris Byrd
94. Zora Folley
95. John Ruiz
96. Sam Peter
97. Charlie retzlaff
98. Nikolai Valuev
99. Pinklon Thomas
100. Tomasz AdamekI will give you some credit for compiling a list of 100 HW's..... that is a great effort, but, I can't get over that top 10.............. I think you are having me on, this is not like any HW list I've ever seen......... it's a very original list.
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Originally posted by McGoorty View PostI will give you some credit for compiling a list of 100 HW's..... that is a great effort, but, I can't get over that top 10.............. I think you are having me on, this is not like any HW list I've ever seen......... it's a very original list.
-Lennox is top ten on most reasonable lists.
-Foreman is top 10 on everyones list
-Schmelling is definitely top 20, beat Prime Joe Louis
-John L is top 10, The Moses of Heavyweights
-Baer killed motha****as, thats why. Literally.
-Liston was a destroyer
-Holyfield is a cheater inside and out. Headbutts, Roids, etc.
-Ali got full marks in all criteria except for POWER, just missed it.
-Marciano fought too many old &/or small guys. Then retired at 32.
-Tunney and Dempsey are practically the same size, age, weight and Dempsey still couldnt win. Sorry.
- Fitz is better than Jeffries. Fitz was old and outweighed by 40 lbs when they fought. Prime Fitz smokes him.
-Frazier is good but not better than those guys.
-Mccall never been down or stopped
-paddy slavin has a losing record lol
-Need more video of Peter Jackson and his opponents
-Stribling: 250 fights and only loss 1 by KO(Schmelling)
Yes this is a real list with a consistent formula. Punching Power, Quality opponents, Quality of Era, Dominance, Accomplishment. Punching power is weighted heavily. If Ali had it he couldve ended fights a lot sooner and may be a healthier man today.
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