How Long Do You All Think Ali Had Parkinson Before He Was Diagnosed

[realheavyhands]

Cuz Other Fighters That Used There Legs Used Them There Whole Career .. Like Camacho Virgill Hill Ray Leanord, Juan Carlos Gomez... I Think Ali Had Parkinsons For Years Whikle He Was Fighting... Maybe Sense His Early Thirties

[coreywash]

aint no telling how long he had it

[Southpaw Stinger]

Cuz Other Fighters That Used There Legs Used Them There Whole Career .. Like Camacho Virgill Hill Ray Leanord, Juan Carlos Gomez... I Think Ali Had Parkinsons For Years Whikle He Was Fighting... Maybe Sense His Early Thirties

He started talking slower after manila so the early signs were there. He did a few comercials leading up to the Shavers fight and a few of his entourage couldn't even work out what he was saying.

And yes guys like Leonard and Gomez used their legs but they weren't using the rope a dope against guys like Frazier and Shavers.

[Benny Leonard]

Ali lost some leg ability after his exile, but it wasn't because of Parkinsons Syndrome, it was lost ability from Rust.

So the best signs would be like mentioned above, when he started talking slower.

[butterfly1964]

I would say after Manila.

[Yogi]

I got to ask because I can remember this being considered by him some years ago, but did Ali ever have surgery to try to alleviate some of the symptoms of Parkinson's?

[SABBATH]

I got to ask because I can remember this being considered by him some years ago, but did Ali ever have surgery to try to alleviate some of the symptoms of Parkinson's?

In 1987 at a WBC symposium Ali was introduced to a Mexican physician who offered to perform experimental surgery on Ali to transplant tissue from his adrenal gland into his brain. There was a risk to the surgery in that there was a 10 % mortality rate. Ali's personal physician Dennis Cope strongly opposed it and the surgery and it was never done.

As far as I know the only two medications Ali takes to alleviate some of the symptoms of Parkinson's are Simenet and Symmetrel.

[Yogi]

In 1987 at a WBC symposium Ali was introduced to a Mexican physician who offered to perform experimental surgery on Ali to transplant tissue from his adrenal gland into his brain. There was a risk to the surgery in that there was a 10 % mortality rate. Ali's personal physician Dennis Cope strongly opposed it and the surgery and it was never done.

As far as I know the only two medications Ali takes to alleviate some of the symptoms of Parkinson's are Simenet and Symmetrel.

Ah, I see, although I thought my memory was thinking of something that was more recent than that...Maybe not, though.

But the way you worded this post, I certainly can't say I blame Ali for not taking that chance, as I don't think too many people would be all that comfortable being a part of an "experimental" procedure on one's brain when the chances of dying are so great (I think I'd have to be in pretty dire condition before I'm taking a 1 in 10 chance of dying...but then again, I've thankfully never been in that position to where I had to make that type of choice). Couple that with the doctor's advice, of course, Ali's then-condition which wasn't so bad (comparitively speaking), possible unfamiliarity with a different country's health system, medication that was "helpful" to an extent and possibly hopeful (ditto for possible hope in surgical advancements), as well, etc...

Yeah, it'd be a tough one to make.

[QueensburyRules]

Cuz Other Fighters That Used There Legs Used Them There Whole Career .. Like Camacho Virgill Hill Ray Leanord, Juan Carlos Gomez... I Think Ali Had Parkinsons For Years Whikle He Was Fighting... Maybe Sense His Early Thirties

- -Hard to say in that Ali had a bank of the best medical minds in the world examine him after it became obvious.

From a boxing stand point, it was less obvious at the start of the 70s because we knew for the first time he was facing better prime age competition and took some lumps.

I saw it vs Wepner, a raw, slowish club fighter that became the impetus for the regrettable Rocky industry, but didn't actually recognize it as a disability.

It's no wonder he was ducking big $ Foreman fight. By then Ali had become his own industry sans corporarate endorsement. He could just show up, flick some jabs as he clowned his punishment and the people ate it up and shouted for more.

[HOUDINI563]

The boxing public did not start making mention of it until the Spinks bouts. You can find interviews prior where Ali was Ali. During and after this time frame it was obvious that something was missing.

Ali was tough and when you look at the accumulation of head shots..Frazier 3, Norton 3, Shavers and then Spinks 1 how could anyone walk away without having their brains scrambled.