Who could beat a prime George Foreman?

[K-DOGG]

Well come on now, if hes better than bowe than you could at least name someone he beat that he didnt lose too. Could have , would have, should have. Thast what i call it, bowe would have smashed his glass chin.

1. Walcott's chin was just as good or bad as Bowe's, at the very least as evidenced by Bowe's avoidance of any big punching opposisiton. Bowe had no defence of which to speak as evidenced by his consistantly eating close to 60% of the punches thrown his way.

2. So, you're telling me a man can do just as good fighting on one week's or less notice as if he'd had an appropriate time to train and get in shape? Bowe could have beaten Holyfield in 1992 if he found out about the fight one week prior?

3. Why are you specifiying "someone he didn't lose to"? Doesn't it say something about a man/fighter if he can improve his game plan, learn from his mistakes and come back to win. I'd think, you being a Holyfield fan, that would count for something.....'cause using that standard, post-prison Tyson is the only win he ever had that really counts. No Bowe, No Moorer....tough call on your part.

...you have to have equal standards to judge equally, otherwise you must make allowances.

[brownpimp88]

1. Walcott's chin was just as good or bad as Bowe's, at the very least as evidenced by Bowe's avoidance of any big punching opposisiton. Bowe had no defence of which to speak as evidenced by his consistantly eating close to 60% of the punches thrown his way.

2. So, you're telling me a man can do just as good fighting on one week's or less notice as if he'd had an appropriate time to train and get in shape? Bowe could have beaten Holyfield in 1992 if he found out about the fight one week prior?

3. Why are you specifiying "someone he didn't lose to"? Doesn't it say something about a man/fighter if he can improve his game plan, learn from his mistakes and come back to win. I'd think, you being a Holyfield fan, that would count for something.....'cause using that standard, post-prison Tyson is the only win he ever had that really counts. No Bowe, No Moorer....tough call on your part.

...you have to have equal standards to judge equally, otherwise you must make allowances.

so wins over qawi doesnt count. I would take an old foreman and an old holmes over an old archie moore any day of the week.

[K-DOGG]

so wins over qawi doesnt count. I would take an old foreman and an old holmes over an old archie moore any day of the week.

Qawi, for the last time, was at Cruiserweight; and Dwight was a blown up light-heavy past his best, if you want to know the truth.....though that win was impressive as hell, given his lack of pro experience at that point.

And if you want to take an old Foreman...who beat just one top contender in his comeback...Moorer and an old Holmes, who beat just one top contender in his comeback....Mercer, over an old Archie Moore, who beat top rated Nino Valdes, while also defending his World Light Heavyweight Championship during the same stretch against top rated Harold Johnson, former champ Joey Maxim, and middlweight king Olslon (that's the best of three weight divisions while being an old man).....be my guest.

[brownpimp88]

Qawi, for the last time, was at Cruiserweight; and Dwight was a blown up light-heavy past his best, if you want to know the truth. And if you want to take an old Foreman...who beat just one top contender in his comeback...Moorer and an old Holmes, who beat just one top contender in his comeback....Mercer, over an old Archie Moore, who beat top rated Nino Valdes, while also defending his World Light Heavyweight Championship during the same stretch against top rated Harold Johnson, former champ Joey Maxim, and middlweight king Olslon (that's the best of three weight divisions while being an old man).....be my guest.

Qawi was phenominal from 81-86, the first win over him is as legit as you can get. The archie moore that rocky fought would have lost to both holmes and foreman, holyfield ended thier cinderella story comebacks cuz holy gets the job done.

[K-DOGG]

Qawi was phenominal from 81-86, the first win over him is as legit as you can get. The archie moore that rocky fought would have lost to both holmes and foreman, holyfield ended thier cinderella story comebacks cuz holy gets the job done.

Do what? Man, look, Moorer was an active 42 and consistantly fought and beat the best....he very well would have outboxed old slow George and could have outboxed old slow Larry too. You're being delusional if you're saying he had no chance against those two relics.

Besides Mercer and Moorer, name two top fighters either man beat during their well choreoghaphed comebacks. Foreman was outboxed by Tommy Morrison of all people....and damn near lost to Alex Stewart, who beat his face to hamburger, and don't forget Moorer was beating him as well before his glass jaw caved in...and you're impressed with Holy's victory over him. He did what was expected of him...he outboxed the slow old man.


Larry outboxed one of the most one-dimensional fighters out there, Ray Mercer, and had been stopped in 4 by Tyson four years before and all Holy could manage was a decision, which was no more than Oliver McCall could do.

You've got a strange sense of what's impressive.

[brownpimp88]

Do what? Man, look, Moorer was an active 42 and consistantly fought and beat the best....he very well would have outboxed old slow George and could have outboxed old slow Larry too. You're being delusional if you're saying he had no chance against those two relics.

Besides Mercer and Moorer, name two top fighters either man beat during their well choreoghaphed comebacks. Foreman was outboxed by Tommy Morrison of all people....and damn near lost to Alex Stewart, who beat his face to hamburger, and don't forget Moorer was beating him as well before his glass jaw caved in...and you're impressed with Holy's victory over him. He did what was expected of him...he outboxed the slow old man.


Larry outboxed one of the most one-dimensional fighters out there, Ray Mercer, and had been stopped in 4 by Tyson four years before and all Holy could manage was a decision, which was no more than Oliver McCall could do.

You've got a strange sense of what's impressive.

Yeah, larry defeated an undefeated champ and it put him in the top 5 rankings. Foreman was coming off 20 straight wins, what more can u ask holy to do, get tyson out of prison and fight him, o wait he did that and kicked his ass.

[K-DOGG]

Yeah, larry defeated an undefeated champ and it put him in the top 5 rankings. Foreman was coming off 20 straight wins, what more can u ask holy to do, get tyson out of prison and fight him, o wait he did that and kicked his ass.

I'll be the first to admit that that situation surrounding Holyfields first reign were less than ideal. He did do what he had to do. I'm not saying Holyfield isn't great....he is; but I feel his losses in his prime to Bowe and Moorer hurt him immensely. Those were the fist two real top 10 opponents he defended against....and he lost.

Yes, the comeback was impressive as hell, beating Tyson was very impressive, even if that Tyson was overrated and that Holyfield was underrated, as he was believed shot; but that's just not enough for me to move him into the Top Ten when there are so many other fighters who did better than he. Holy is just outside of my personal Top Ten, near Charles, Frazier, Jeffries, and Walcott.

[Hydro]

i'd make these guys in their primes favorites over prime Foreman:

Ali (obviously)
Liston
Lewis (slight)
Holmes

[Heckler]

Personally don't believe Holyfield stands a chance against a prime Foreman. Holyfield isn't slick enough to get on his bike and avoid George, to enjoy some sucess he would have to live in the eye of the storm and counter George. Although evander has huge heart he doesn't have the durability nor the strength to deal with George at that range, even landing 2 punches to 1 of Georges it's just a matter of time before Holyfield crumbles. Whatever advantages the older, wiser Foreman has over the younger one is not enough to offset the huge physical advantages Foreman enjoyed in his youth. Foremans handspeed was literally twice as good in his youth, that sledgehammer jab was much more effective and carried more snap as did those sweeping hooks. Foreman was gifted with amazing physical gifts, and the reckless aggression that he displayed in his youth was a stylistic trait that allowed him to accentuate and impose such physical advantages on his opponents. There was a downside, IF an opponent could last the initial barrage their chance of sucess increases a considerable amount.... but that is a big IF, and it only becomes relevant with a handful of opponents in my opinion.

[phallus]

i'd make these guys in their primes favorites over prime Foreman:

Ali (obviously)
Liston
Lewis (slight)
Holmes

i've thought about this one alot. Big Len is definitley skilled enough to outbox foreman and keep him trapped on the outside, eating jabs and big right hands. the only problem with lewis is he's a slow starter, and foreman was a fast starter. lewis also has a questionable chin, if he can get through the first 5 rounds he'd beat foreman, if not he gets knocked out quick