Who had better handspeed: Mike Tyson or Joe Louis?

[metalinmybrain]

Why would i put Floyd Patterson in a light heavyweight list?

Because that is what he started out as! He was a great light heavyweight who decided to work on his heavyweight game. Hell he was a better heavyweight than Charles ever could be, even got into the ring with the greats while they were still great, does that make sense to you pal?!

[Hawkins]

Because that is what he started out as! He was a great light heavyweight who decided to work on his heavyweight game. Hell he was a better heavyweight than Charles ever could be, even got into the ring with the greats while they were still great, does that make sense to you pal?!

Just because someone started in one weightclass and hand a few fights in said weightclass doesn't mean a ranking in that weightclass. Who did he beat in the LH division to merit a ranking?

To my knowledge he fought a handful of fights at middle, moved up and fought at LH for about 17 fights (where he lost to Joey Maxim) and the rest were at heavyweight.

So, please bestow on me what Floyd accomplished at light heavyweight that would warrant a placement on the list.

[metalinmybrain]

Just because someone started in one weightclass and hand a few fights in said weightclass doesn't mean a ranking in that weightclass. Who did he beat in the LH division to merit a ranking?

To my knowledge he fought a handful of fights at middle, moved up and fought at LH for about 17 fights (where he lost to Joey Maxim) and the rest were at heavyweight.

So, please bestow on me what Floyd accomplished at light heavyweight that would warrant a placement on the list.

Its funny how Patterson beat Maxim but it was given to Maxim because of the color of his skin. Patterson beat him and everyone knows it, the fight was so close that it was the perfect reason for giving it to the white man. Not to sound racist because I'm white myself but damn Patterson beat Maxim pal.

[Hawkins]

Its funny how Patterson beat Maxim but it was given to Maxim because of the color of his skin. Patterson beat him and everyone knows it, the fight was so close that it was the perfect reason for giving it to the white man. Not to sound racist because I'm white myself but damn Patterson beat Maxim pal.

That still didn't answer the question...what did Patterson do to warrant placement on an all-time LH list?

[metalinmybrain]

That still didn't answer the question...what did Patterson do to warrant placement on an all-time LH list?

How about knocking out Archie Moore faster than Charles ever could? Moore himself said Patterson hit him as hard as Marciano did.

[Hawkins]

How about knocking out Archie Moore faster than Charles ever could? Moore himself said Patterson hit him as hard as Marciano did.

That fight occured at heavyweight, seeing as how it was for the vacant title.

[metalinmybrain]

That fight occured at heavyweight, seeing as how it was for the vacant title.

Yes the vacant title that Marciano refused to defend against a prime fighter! Still two natural light heavyweights going at it and Patterson knocking Moore with one punch a very very fast hook!

[them_apples]

Patterson was the key to letting boxing develop and get out of its bar brawling idea.

I seriously would not doubt if he was said to punch as hard/harder as marciano, because it would only make sense, the guy lunges into his punches.

[metalinmybrain]

Patterson was the key to letting boxing develop and get out of its bar brawling idea.

I seriously would not doubt if he was said to punch as hard/harder as marciano, because it would only make sense, the guy lunges into his punches.

He does hit as hard as Marciano, maybe even harder. After the fight Moore said the last time he was hit that hard Marciano was standing over him. Too bad Marciano couldn't finish Moore like Patterson did, fast and in one round. Also, Patterson was never knocked down, not even close!

[Hawkins]

He does hit as hard as Marciano, maybe even harder. After the fight Moore said the last time he was hit that hard Marciano was standing over him. Too bad Marciano couldn't finish Moore like Patterson did, fast and in one round. Also, Patterson was never knocked down, not even close!

Really? Have you seen a different Floyd Patterson than everyone else?

If so I guess those 7 knockdowns against Liston were a figment of everyone's imagination huh?

Truth be told he was knocked down something like 19 times in his career.

If you're just referring to the Moore fight then you have to look at the style's of fighter. You can't judge a fighter based on who got knocked down by who.

Ever heard the saying, styles make fights? Marciano was a far easier target to hit than Floyd with his straight ahead, relentless style.

I love Floyd but you cannot compare his chin to Marciano's.