Mass Effect 3 or Skyrim?

[Dirt E Gomez]

I actually liked Oblivion more than Morrowind. I liked the "normal" world in Oblivion more than the fantasy one in Morrowind.Plus I couldn't hit fuckshit in Morrowind.

Morrowind punished you. Oblivion's scaling was not only ******, but still ended up with you being overpowered as ****. The game took ******ity to a new level when you'd stumble upon a small gang of thieves decked out in daedric and glass armor attacking you. Like, those are pretty well armed thugs, maybe they should just sell their equipment. Couple that with how ******ly OP you could be w/ magic and other items and it was easy and boring. What's that, you have 99% physical and 99% magical reflect? kewl, eazy-sauce

Morrowind didn't hold you had. You could do anything you wanted. You could kill important people and the game would tell you how bad you ****ed up. You could be a vampire. While Morrowind certainly had its faults, Oblivion I felt was vastly, vastly inferior.

[squealpiggy]

Morrowind punished you. Oblivion's scaling was not only ******, but still ended up with you being overpowered as ****. The game took ******ity to a new level when you'd stumble upon a small gang of thieves decked out in daedric and glass armor attacking you. Like, those are pretty well armed thugs, maybe they should just sell their equipment. Couple that with how ******ly OP you could be w/ magic and other items and it was easy and boring. What's that, you have 99% physical and 99% magical reflect? kewl, eazy-sauce

Morrowind didn't hold you had. You could do anything you wanted. You could kill important people and the game would tell you how bad you ****ed up. You could be a vampire. While Morrowind certainly had its faults, Oblivion I felt was vastly, vastly inferior.

You can be a vampire in Oblivion.

[Dirt E Gomez]

You can be a vampire in Oblivion.

You're much closer to a twilight version of a vampire in Oblivion, compared to Morrowind.

The atmosphere alone puts Morrowind so, so high in my opinion. The dark, gloomy, and scary atmosphere makes your hair stand on the back of your neck repeatedly while rummaging around. Oblivion is a bright, happy, and ****** world.

****, Dragon Age 2 was better than Oblivion.

edit: That being said. I still have very, very, very high hopes for Skyrim. Bethesda has shown its ability to change and adapt from game to game, but still keeping a lot of the better elements there. I think their time from Oblivion -> Fallout 3 -> Fallout Vegas gave them lots to tweak and perfect things that might've been previously overlooked. I think it'll definitely be a contender for game of the year, not having even touched it yet.

[jmasta]

****, Dragon Age 2 was better than Oblivion.

Come on man, I understand you didn't like Oblivion but there is no reason to hurl such insults.

[Dirt E Gomez]

Come on man, I understand you didn't like Oblivion but there is no reason to hurl such insults.

I like Oblivion, don't get me wrong. But it had no real depth. The entire time I played it I just sat there muttering to myself, "Why can't they just remake Morrowind with this engine?"

DA:2 was far from perfect, but the characters still helped move the plot and story in an interesting manner, while it still was obviously lacking. Of the open world RPG's released more recently under Bethesda (anything pre-morrowind I'm excluding), Oblivion was inferior to Morrowind, Fallout 3, and Fallout Vegas. It wasn't a bad game, and I know I'm making it seem like I didn't like it, but it simply wasn't as good as people said it was.

I think it has a lot to do with it being the first of that genre many people were introduced to. As far as Wester-rpgs are concerned, Oblivion might have gotten mass-attention to the genre for a lot of people, but it certainly isn't a shining example of it.

edit: I just finished dl'ing the Witcher 2 earlier today, I'll see how good it is. I've heard really, really mixed reviews.

[jmasta]

I like Oblivion, don't get me wrong. But it had no real depth. The entire time I played it I just sat there muttering to myself, "Why can't they just remake Morrowind with this engine?"

DA:2 was far from perfect, but the characters still helped move the plot and story in an interesting manner, while it still was obviously lacking. Of the open world RPG's released more recently under Bethesda (anything pre-morrowind I'm excluding), Oblivion was inferior to Morrowind, Fallout 3, and Fallout Vegas. It wasn't a bad game, and I know I'm making it seem like I didn't like it, but it simply wasn't as good as people said it was.

I think it has a lot to do with it being the first of that genre many people were introduced to. As far as Wester-rpgs are concerned, Oblivion might have gotten mass-attention to the genre for a lot of people, but it certainly isn't a shining example of it.

edit: I just finished dl'ing the Witcher 2 earlier today, I'll see how good it is. I've heard really, really mixed reviews.

Oblivion is a highly overrated game but in my opinion superior to DA2. DA2 was a massive disappointment in my eyes.

The only complaints I see from people concerning the The Witcher all revolve around the combat and optimization. Haven't played the game though so I wouldn't know.

[Dirt E Gomez]

Oblivion is a highly overrated game but in my opinion superior to DA2. DA2 was a massive disappointment in my eyes.

The only complaints I see from people concerning the The Witcher all revolve around the combat and optimization. Haven't played the game though so I wouldn't know.

That's the comlaint I've read. Combat is too difficult, and the only way to make it easier is to play really abusive against the AI.

That specific line of statements actually got me thinking as to where real challenge in a video game comes from. It's strange, i don't think I know how to design a difficult open world rpg that would actually be fun. I actually want to seriously sit down and put pen to paper and come up with ideas on what makes a game fun with challenges, but not too monotonous or silly.

Like, combat can't always be too difficult, or else it becomes a burden anytime you engage opponents. Combat can't be too much button smashing or real opponents lack depth. The game's challenges cant come purely from puzzles, or else time between combat can be too long. I dunno', it's odd.

I seem to think an approach to fast paced multiple ai controlled units (DA:O, DA2, FF12) is the right path. Then they have to have bosses that work around more of a MMO (pve) feel, that you can't just beast mode your way at bosses or tough groups of opponents. That's when strategy should have to be used, avoid certain types of aoe, issue commands properly, etc. Most fights can be roll your face and hack n' slash weaker opponents, but I think difficulty has to come from pattern recognition and fast reaction or good tactics against bosses.

edit: Imagine Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time meets Dragon Age 2 or something. Shit just made my **** hard.

[Ether]

Morrowind punished you. Oblivion's scaling was not only ******, but still ended up with you being overpowered as ****. The game took ******ity to a new level when you'd stumble upon a small gang of thieves decked out in daedric and glass armor attacking you. Like, those are pretty well armed thugs, maybe they should just sell their equipment. Couple that with how ******ly OP you could be w/ magic and other items and it was easy and boring. What's that, you have 99% physical and 99% magical reflect? kewl, eazy-sauce

Morrowind didn't hold you had. You could do anything you wanted. You could kill important people and the game would tell you how bad you ****ed up. You could be a vampire. While Morrowind certainly had its faults, Oblivion I felt was vastly, vastly inferior.

So is this why i was able to complete Oblivion, yet gave up 25% through Morrowind?

Thanks for exposing me.


I loved how on the DLC Shivering Isles you could walk up to the Prince Sheogorath and smack the fucking taste out of his mouth, only to be paralyzed, teleported into the sky and dropped thousands of feet on a target on the cement with the remains of those foolish enough to fuck with the Prince.

[Mr. Fantastic]

Skyrim hands down. One thing that worries me being a Mass Effect fan is that now that Bioware is with EA, they are going to axe the series even more. Look at what happened to Dragon Age 2.

[Mr. Fantastic]

You're much closer to a twilight version of a vampire in Oblivion, compared to Morrowind.

The atmosphere alone puts Morrowind so, so high in my opinion. The dark, gloomy, and scary atmosphere makes your hair stand on the back of your neck repeatedly while rummaging around. Oblivion is a bright, happy, and ****** world.

****, Dragon Age 2 was better than Oblivion.

edit: That being said. I still have very, very, very high hopes for Skyrim. Bethesda has shown its ability to change and adapt from game to game, but still keeping a lot of the better elements there. I think their time from Oblivion -> Fallout 3 -> Fallout Vegas gave them lots to tweak and perfect things that might've been previously overlooked. I think it'll definitely be a contender for game of the year, not having even touched it yet.

Oh my!!!