The Myth Of Milk?

[luv4boxing84]

the fact america has more hip fractures than the japanese is more likely due to america generally being a less active and more overweigth people on the whole

..other than that there is no actual evidence that milk is harmful, only possibly coincidental links.

..as long as power lifters are drinking milk, some of which lift 260kg above their head, I'm gonna go ahead and keep drinking milk

I'm not sure what you consider evidence becuase I was under the impression that thats what I was posting, over and over and over again. Lifting produces stronger bones, so power lifters have strong bones. Prob be even stronger without milk.

[Righthandbanger]

I'm not sure what you consider evidence becuase I was under the impression that thats what I was posting, over and over and over again. Lifting produces stronger bones, so power lifters have strong bones. Prob be even stronger without milk.

If you want to call it evidence then post the methodology and the theory not just the results. You can make a study that suits anything. If I had a bunch of people who wake up every morning at 8 and have a piss and another that wakes up at nine and doesn't, then I could theorize that waking up at 8 is more likely to make you want to piss than waking up at nine. The idea is ridiculous without sufficient theory to back it up.

[eagleyes]

Milk is good for you. Cow milk is actually the milk with the least amount of nutrition by far. If you find some goat milk it is real healthy but taste real nasty.

[luv4boxing84]

If you want to call it evidence then post the methodology and the theory not just the results. You can make a study that suits anything. If I had a bunch of people who wake up every morning at 8 and have a piss and another that wakes up at nine and doesn't, then I could theorize that waking up at 8 is more likely to make you want to piss than waking up at nine. The idea is ridiculous without sufficient theory to back it up.

You are being ridiculus. I gave all my sources and this is just a forum. If you want to know that badly how all the studies were done. Go check out the sources. Its why i put them up. I have studied nutrition for a long time and this is common sense once you understand the science behind it.

[Righthandbanger]

well then pray tell, if you understand the science so well how about you explain it to the rest of us.. Mr Interwebz sc13nce man

[luv4boxing84]

well then pray tell, if you understand the science so well how about you explain it to the rest of us.. Mr Interwebz sc13nce man

I have. For the love of god just look at my old posts in this thread. I have spent far to much time and energy on this thread already. Just look, its all there. Maybe 2 minutes of reading. Then you can check the sources for yourself and then you will be educated as opposed to just opinionated.

[Righthandbanger]

I have. For the love of god just look at my old posts in this thread. I have spent far to much time and energy on this thread already. Just look, its all there. Maybe 2 minutes of reading. Then you can check the sources for yourself and then you will be educated as opposed to just opinionated.

I assure you, I've read your posts. the majority of what you call 'evidence' is circumstantial at best and your theory of protein in milk causing osteoporosis doesn't account for non-milk drinking protein ingesters. according to the theory of amino acids surely anyone who ingests protein would also suffer from osteoporosis. would you tell us all to stop doing that?

[Bedlam]

This is for luv4boxing. I understand that your evidence is convincing, however they did not include other aspects of the diets of those that were tested, nor did they include family history and how inclined they already were to have weak bones. (i.e. prior broken bones and what have you)

Now your evidence is showing that there is a possible link with milk and weaker bones due to a ph balance issue. Now I want to see studies showing the ph balance of the blood of people that drink milk compared to those that never do, then compare that to a study of a balanced diet (PH wise), one with milk and one without.

Then I would start to be convinced it is more than too much milk in a bad diet. I do agree, however, that milk had been marketed so well that people believe that just drinking milk will make their bones strong.

Also, to reply to the powerlifter comments, powerlifters have a very strict and balanced diet.

[Double Jab]

Here was my thinking whenever I, well...thought about it.

Pros:

Tastes good, protein.

Cons:

Alot of people dont have the enzymes to break down the milk after a certain age (lactose intolerance.) It has chemicals and stuff from the pasturization and the cows. Also, this is just a random generalization, but most countrys that dont drink milk, have a tendancy to have a longer life expectancy.

Conclusion:

I honestly don't plan on breaking 60 in my life time if I do it right, and I love the taste of milk. So yeehaw, Im setting my lamborgeni on fire, with my cigar, bottle of whiskey, and my 2%, giving the middle finger as I go off a cliff at 58.

[luv4boxing84]

All right. I'm going to whip together a few more pieces of info to make this convincing enough for everyone. But I want everyone to realize that osteoporosis can't be tested over the course of a two week double blind study. It must be long term, so there will always be other variables but the number of studies showing a strong correlation between milk intake and bone loss is stagering.

In Pediatrics (2000), published by the American Academy of Pediatrics, Pennsylvania State University researchers showed that calcium intake, which ranged from 500 to 1,500 mg per day, had no lasting effect on the bone health of girls in their teens. "We (had) hypothesized that increased calcium intake would result in better adolescent bone gain. Needless to say, we were surprised to find our hypothesis refuted," one researcher explained.

After reviewing studies on the link between protein intake and urinary calcium loss, dairy industry researcher Dr. Robert P. Heaney found that as consumption of protein increases, so does the amount of calcium lost in the urine (Journal of the American Dietetic Association, 1993): "This effect has been documented in several different study designs for more than 70 years," he writes, adding, "The net effect is such that, if protein intake is doubled without changing intake of other nutrients, urinary calcium content increases by about 50 percent."

Japanese women who follow a more Western-style, meat- and dairy-based diet are eight times more likely to develop breast cancer than their counterparts who eat a plant-based diet not containing dairy products.

Another Italian study, published in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute, reported that adult women who reduce their dietary intake of fat and animal protein substantially lower their risk of breast cancer.

Studies published in the Journal of the American Dietetic Association and the British Medical Journal found that consuming three additional servings of nonfat or 1 percent milk for 12 weeks was associated with a 10 percent increase in IGF-1 levels. The Food and Drug Administration reports that IGF-1 is not destroyed by pasteurization. In fact, pasteurization actually increases its concentration in rBGH milk.

According to a report published by the American Academy of Allergy and Immunology Committee on Adverse Reactions to Food (part of the National Institutes of Health), the allergies of up to one third of children tested cleared after milk was removed from their diet.

The mucus created by milk may cause other health problems, as well. Dr. William Ellis, who has studied the effects of dairy foods for more than four decades, says that milk is "simply no good for humans." Dr. Ellis believes that the excess mucus caused by milk can harden to form a coating on the inner wall of the intestines, hindering the absorption of nutrients and possibly leading to chronic fatigue.

A study of children in 40 countries found that the incidence of juvenile diabetes was directly related to diet: The higher the consumption of cow�s milk and other animal products, the greater the chance of developing diabetes. Conversely, children who consumed a largely vegetarian diet had a much lower incidence of diabetes.

In a study published in the International Journal of Cardiology, researchers studied seven countries with a high consumption of dairy products and found that heart disease mortality rose as milk supply rose

Researchers who studied dietary links to heart disease in 32 countries found that, of all dietary factors studied, milk carbohydrates played the biggest role in the development of heart disease in men over 35, and nonfat milk played the biggest role in the development of coronary heart disease in men over 45. (4)

Like I said. These studies are endless. Put it all together and only one thing seems clear. Dairy products are not good for people.