Why can't Haymon produce big stars...

[b00g13man]

Did Haymon steal OP's girl or something? Damn.

[Squ□redCircle34]

Because America has way more stars in so many areas that have bigger fan bases and have been doing their thing for years which is what guys like Spence, Thurman, Mikey, Danny, Broner, Charlos,Tank, Porter, Wilder, and etc. have to compete with!

They all have to compete with people who have been watching things like college sports, NFL, Super Bowl, NHL, NBA, Soccer, MLB, World Series, Stanley cup, NASCAR, and Golf who prefer those over boxing!

It’s easier to become a star in the UK ,Mexico and sometimes even Germany than it is in America as a boxer or even develop a solid following!

At the same time, we live in the social media age where fans can interact with athletes personally more so these guys should be taking advantage of it, not negatively like Broner or Tank do!

Also, Canelo is Mexican, he has almost the full support of Mexico which is nearly a pure fighting/boxing cultured country, not to mention he fought Mayweather and he does fight the fight best and take risks!

Haymon should’ve pushed Floyd to fight Spence or Thurman instead of Berto cuz that would’ve boosted those guys profiles a lot, win ,lose or draw!

[GhostofDempsey]

He tried building stars by matching them against over-hyped no-hopers. Hence why most of them are lucky to earn $2M per fight and none of them are PPV attractions.

[Chuckguy]

Because he isn’t the one that makes stars period! Floyd made himself not haymon. Al just made sure Floyd was paid right and as far as I know pbc fighters get paid plenty to fight cans

[Eff Pandas]

You don't just create stars like you are building a treehouse & you just gotta follow the blueprint. Stars are made via the trajectory they are on, how they win those fights & how fans react to them. There is only 1 Canelo level guy in boxing. Joshua is even under him so they are the two stars in boxing right now. There are seldom more than 2 big stars in boxing at any given time.

Bob has been one of the best at helping lead boxers to the big time & he's still failing at getting Bud & Loma to that point of popularity & Bob has failed at transitioning boxers to that level hundreds & hundreds of times.

And once you realize that Haymon doesn't do what Arum does, namely make fights, you realize this isn't even in Haymon's hands in the same way Arum can help point people in the right direction.

So its kinda a ****head thing to act like its all on the guys behind the scene to "make people stars" when its mostly on the fighters themselves cuz the biggest parts of being a star in boxing is on the boxer himself. And its even some bigger ****head sh^t to suggest Haymon is failing when he has even less control to point guys in specific directions based on how he operates with his fighters that would make his spin on the "star creation" process is even less that of a promoter.

[Eff Pandas]

Because he isn’t the one that makes stars period! Floyd made himself not haymon. Al just made sure Floyd was paid right and as far as I know pbc fighters get paid plenty to fight cans

This.

And neither is Arum or Oscar or Hearn.

Canelo made himself a star not Oscar. Joshua made himself a star not Eddie. Floyd, Miguel, Manny & Oscar made themselves stars not Bob or Haymon in the case of Floyd.

Sure a promoter getting certain fights helps the process, but the fighter has the far greater means to make or break their potential super stardom with how they fight in those fights, how they win in those fights & how fans like or dislike their personas, fighting styles & other factors in general.

[Curt Henning]

most americans simply don't have the time or wanna spend the time to follow boxing anymore

too much going

America has 3 major sports...and also 2 of them which are large at the collegiate level in hoop and football.....

most men are out working 40-40+ hours a week to feed their family....then wanna play golf when they get some free time....are pushing their kids into sports like baseball, golf and lacrosse(making a huge push now in the us for youth sports)

u have to follow multiple weight divisions across multiple networks and ******ing platforms now....most americans don't have the attention span or time to do that anymore

most of the American fights haymon has are doing quite well considering all of this..wilders profile is getting bigger by the day

maybe if mr "world superstar HW champ" would grow the nuts to get near wilder he could get even bigger

[Raggamuffin]

My question is

What makes Genricks real life so miserable that his only form of comfort and thing that brings him joy is going on a boxing forum and hating on 1 individual and anything/anyone associated with them

Lmmfao lol...

[elfag]

How many Canelo level stars are there in boxing now? Two? And one of them is Canelo.

This.

Nobody else is producing Canelo/Cotto level stars either, its the whole of boxing is declining, not just anything haymond is doing wrong.

Look at someone like lomachenko, who has an excitiing style, KO power, he should be a bigger star. He is in the same weight classes and same promoter that Pacquaio had, so why isnt he as big as Pacquaio was, even at 135?

Look at how Pacquaio got big, he went through Barrera, Morales and JMM. Then after that De la hoya, margo, cotto, mosley, hatton.

There arent even those big of names available for loma if he wanted to. Mikey garcia vs loma is the big fight and garcia isnt as big as Morales/barrera were in their day.

The "mid tier" stars of boxing from 15 years ago are bigger than everyone except canelo from today.

[N/A]

...like Canelo or Cotto-level star?

He doesn't want to.

He does things the Don King way instead of the Bob Arum way.

The Bob Arum way is to put all of your focus on one or two guys in hopes of convincing the public that one or two guys are megastars to be valued above all others, and therefore, paid for on pay-per-view.

The Don King way is to leverage one megastar (Tyson for King, Mayweather for Haymon) to get all the TV dates, and as many fighters as possible, so that the fighters become largely irrelevant as you accumulate all the world titles. Then all that matters is keeping the titles in house. Instead of your business being dependent on one or two guys, and having to protect them so carefully because your business will collapse if they lose, you have dozens of smaller stars who are interchangeable as long as you control all the world titles.

So it's not that Haymon can't produce a big star, it's that his strategy is to spread the wealth and create dozens of smaller stars instead. There is an art form to creating a big star and it often requires allowing them to suck all of the air out of the room, to the detriment of the other fighters.

Canelo makes 30 million, Haymon instead creates 30 guys who can make 1 million. It's just a different way of doing business.