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    #71
    Originally posted by SplitSecond View Post
    He was just more cautious, he was not boxing any less after rd 3. Because he started to let his hands go a bit more doesnt mean he wasnt boxing. He only stopped boxing when he started marching forward. I box, your problem is you dont understand feinting and faking and outsmarting your opponent, which is the essence of outboxing, although in this regard I am using it not only as an "outboxer" winning on the outside, as golovkin was doing, but a boxer "outboxing" an opponent in the arts, being more clever, crafty, picking up the points and being defensively responsible(all of which golovkin was in the majority of the first half). Canelo learned a few tricks later in the fight which he was never consistent with though, if he can take that into the rematch he'll have a better time, a lot of his issue is he's used to imposing his speed on guys, he doesnt even know how to set up his punches really, he throws everything at max speed and power and everything is an explosive movement, it's why stamina is somewhat of an issue, golovkin on the other hand for being a caveman knows not only how to throw bombs but how to shorten punches considerably(he landed a lot of these sneaky punches on canelo which is why the landed power shots are near equal), knows how to fake much better, he showed considerably more depth, honestly, the only way you can say canelo is/was a better boxer is if you havent actually properly watched the fight, or if you really dont know what you're looking at. Being faster and flashier doesn't mean he's a smarter boxer, that's his physical advantages, and speed is a huge advantage in boxing, the best ATGs were speed demons, if you can couple it with real skill you can beat anyone, Canelo is lacking in the boxing department compared to golovkin though, lots of speed and cool defense doesn't equal a smarter fighter or better boxer.

    I know you want to stay remain in your bubble so you can lie to yourself, but if you want to possibly learn something watch this video. It's decent.

    Originally posted by Steven Mccowan View Post
    You asked the question,lmao. The answer is GGG outboxed him. Maybe you should,understand what happens in a boxing ring lol. Im in boxing gym 4x a week and its pretty clear all the way around that canelo got outboxed. Join a boxing gym,,spar,,mingle. Its ok
    "I box" is the weakest, ****test argument going, and twatish. I boxed, sparred, for over 15 years, sadly life took over so no longer do. But as someone who has been posting here for a very long time, it's a weak straw man argument.

    Tell me I don't know about feinting, that is basic boxing 101.

    The fact that you think Canelo doesn't feint, or didn't in the fight is laughable at best, you don't even have to look past round 1, close round, but Canelo had outmanouvered GGG and he knew it, which is why he was shaking his head back to his corner. YES I think Canelo is the better boxer, lots of people do, including many pro's and even colleagues I've spoken too. You HAVE to factor in GGG's physicality and natural size into the equation.

    If he was the better boxer he would fight Canelo like he did Lemeiux, with little risk. He got aggressive because he was not comfortable giving Canelo time at distance, and also it was not the best strategy, because CANELO is the better boxer.

    Is Golovkin still boxing when moving forward? Of course, reference my first post in this thread.

    Again he may be the better overall fighter, better boxer? No. If Golovkin went up against a fighter who was a 2 inches taller, who was bigger, stronger, better chin, bigger power, good boxing skills, but slightly slower, he would be in a world of ****.

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      #72
      The first fight Canelo had a chance to win big but he just wanted to win the first minute of every round , He can't do that again here

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        #73
        Originally posted by SplitSecond View Post
        He was just more cautious, he was not boxing any less after rd 3. Because he started to let his hands go a bit more doesnt mean he wasnt boxing. He only stopped boxing when he started marching forward. I box, your problem is you dont understand feinting and faking and outsmarting your opponent, which is the essence of outboxing, although in this regard I am using it not only as an "outboxer" winning on the outside, as golovkin was doing, but a boxer "outboxing" an opponent in the arts, being more clever, crafty, picking up the points and being defensively responsible(all of which golovkin was in the majority of the first half). Canelo learned a few tricks later in the fight which he was never consistent with though, if he can take that into the rematch he'll have a better time, a lot of his issue is he's used to imposing his speed on guys, he doesnt even know how to set up his punches really, he throws everything at max speed and power and everything is an explosive movement, it's why stamina is somewhat of an issue, golovkin on the other hand for being a caveman knows not only how to throw bombs but how to shorten punches considerably(he landed a lot of these sneaky punches on canelo which is why the landed power shots are near equal), knows how to fake much better, he showed considerably more depth, honestly, the only way you can say canelo is/was a better boxer is if you havent actually properly watched the fight, or if you really dont know what you're looking at. Being faster and flashier doesn't mean he's a smarter boxer, that's his physical advantages, and speed is a huge advantage in boxing, the best ATGs were speed demons, if you can couple it with real skill you can beat anyone, Canelo is lacking in the boxing department compared to golovkin though, lots of speed and cool defense doesn't equal a smarter fighter or better boxer.

        I know you want to stay remain in your bubble so you can lie to yourself, but if you want to possibly learn something watch this video. It's decent.

        The only part I agree with is Canelo setting up his punches, it's something he could do better, he knows how to set traps, and counter, but could lead better, although he set up his KO of Khan extremely well as an example.

        As far as him doing everything at full speed, that's indicative of his style and I think what works best for him at the highest level.

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          #74
          Originally posted by sunny31 View Post
          "I box" is the weakest, ****test argument going, and twatish. I boxed, sparred, for over 15 years, sadly life took over so no longer do. But as someone who has been posting here for a very long time, it's a weak straw man argument.

          Tell me I don't know about feinting, that is basic boxing 101.

          The fact that you think Canelo doesn't feint, or didn't in the fight is laughable at best, you don't even have to look past round 1, close round, but Canelo had outmanouvered GGG and he knew it, which is why he was shaking his head back to his corner. YES I think Canelo is the better boxer, lots of people do, including many pro's and even colleagues I've spoken too. You HAVE to factor in GGG's physicality and natural size into the equation.

          If he was the better boxer he would fight Canelo like he did Lemeiux, with little risk. He got aggressive because he was not comfortable giving Canelo time at distance, and also it was not the best strategy, because CANELO is the better boxer.

          Is Golovkin still boxing when moving forward? Of course, reference my first post in this thread.

          Again he may be the better overall fighter, better boxer? No. If Golovkin went up against a fighter who was a 2 inches taller, who was bigger, stronger, better chin, bigger power, good boxing skills, but slightly slower, he would be in a world of ****.
          Too many IFS in your world. You are full of excuses. You asked about GGG outboxing Canelo and you got your answer. Get over it hahha. We done here ok. And please...learn about boxing. You very wordy, but not educated

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