If not, then name me one / some better.
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Is Luis Ortiz the best / most skilled southpaw professional heavyweight boxer ever?
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Is Luis Ortiz the best / most skilled southpaw professional heavyweight boxer ever?
18No (specify one / some that are better)66.67%12Yes33.33%6Tags: None
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I would have Moorer over him due to competition faced/beaten at a proper elite level but wouldn't argue with anyone picking Ortiz.
I think this just highlights one of those strange statistics or phenomenon that you occasionally come across, there really haven't been many elite heavyweight lefties.
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Originally posted by sunny31 View PostI would have Moorer over him due to competition faced/beaten at a proper elite level but wouldn't argue with anyone picking Ortiz.
I think this just highlights one of those strange statistics or phenomenon that you occasionally come across, there really haven't been many elite heavyweight lefties.
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People are really high on a guy who hasn't been tested or faced adversity yet as a pro.
Until I see him in trouble, when I see how he responds then I will asses how good he is. Both Joshua and Wilder have been in trouble and have overcame hardship multiple times. Say what you want about them.
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Originally posted by lolpz View PostPeople are really high on a guy who hasn't been tested or faced adversity yet as a pro.
Until I see him in trouble, when I see how he responds then I will asses how good he is. Both Joshua and Wilder have been in trouble and have overcame hardship multiple times. Say what you want about them.
What if a boxer is so good that he can avoid trouble altogether? Why does a boxer need to face trouble to be good?
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Originally posted by Mr Objecitivity View PostWell then who is a better southpaw heavyweight than Luis Ortiz?
What if a boxer is so good that he can avoid trouble altogether? Why does a boxer need to face trouble to be good?
It may very well be the case that a boxer is so good he avoids trouble, I'm not saying its impossible. But if you do your homework, throughout boxing history every top elite fighter has faced adversity. How you respond or react to it usually determines how good of a fighter you are.
Mayweather for example, probably the best defensive fighter of all time, has faced adversity plenty of times throughout his entire career and has always overcame and come out on top. Everyone can call him a chicken, runner etc all of that but none of it matters, we all know he can take a punch we all know he can stand there and **** blow for blow with guys much bigger then him he's proven plenty of times he can handle pressure and as Ward calls it "fighting out of your comfort zone."
Overcoming adversity is what separates the elites from the good fighters.
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Moorer and Ortiz are both on equal ground ,i think Ortiz is better , puts his punches together a bit better while able to throw more power shots with both hands .
Overall Ortiz is longer / stronger and is 240 pounds making him what should be the most difficult southpaw at HW . He also moves alot better than Moorer did .
I cant recall a better southpaw in terms of skill, one thing in Ortiz favor is hes a 6'4 power puncher who cn dictate the fight moreso than the other smaller HW's so he can place punches at will not just wait for openings which gives him the edge .
Its also support that the era is not weak as most are brainwashed into thinking , Ortiz would defeat many top fighters ,particularly guys under 6'4 who are less likely to get clear shots on him bc he does have a low front guard alot something a taller guy would be easier to exploit .Last edited by juggernaut666; 02-24-2018, 09:54 AM.
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