SPOTY 2017: Shock Results As Anthony Joshua Fails To Make Top 3

[NahMean]

People talk like Klitschko knows more than proven science knows - you don't get stronger, faster or fitter the older you get, in fact it's the opposite when you are his age. Factor in the year and a half lay-off .... plus styles make fights.

Lemieux looked like a killer vs Curtis Stevens but was made a fool vs Billy Joe Saunders, and yet he was talking about how he is a better boxer than before.

Every single person is different.. BJS looked awful against Akavov last year.. This Saturday he looked like one of the best boxers at MW.

Regardless, I'd rather believe Klitschko's word on his own performance rather than a person who has never even met him.

[TheBigLug]

Proven Science? Linford Christie and [B][I]Carl Lewis

Hahaha you seriously bringing them into it?

They were juiced to the gills.

Come on..

['b']

Proven Science? Linford Christie and Carl Lewis ran their fastest times over 100meters, when they where into their 30's! Where as Usain Bolt was pretty much breaking down physically in his late 20's! There are plenty of variables that can effect a athletes condition! Also the human body is in a constant state of renewal, every 6 months it totally rebuilds itself! If Wladimir Kitschko had a half hearted training camp for Tyson Fury, and then one of his best ever for Anthony Joshua? the odds are that he was in better condition! Wladimir Kitschko did not have two years in activity, in the sense that he was boozes and taking drugs! (He was constantly in training!)...

LMAO, reading comprehension ain't your thing huh? Cool bro, some people hit their prime in their 30s, no-one ever knew that! /s

People talk like Klitschko knows more than proven science knows - you don't get stronger, faster or fitter the older you get, in fact it's the opposite when you are his age. Factor in the year and a half lay-off .... plus styles make fights.

What was his age again? He was 39 and a half vs Fury and 41 when he fought Joshua. That's like saying people are stronger when they are 18 than when they are 12....no **** Sherlock, but when you are in your mid 30s it's a steady decline, let alone your 40s

[NahMean]

Yeah cos he was 2 years older and in his 40's lol.

Reality had set in that he didn't have it anymore. He wasn't a better fighter in the AJ fight, just AJ's style and lack of movement allowed Wlad to look younger because big stiff AJ was stood in front of him.

If AJ didn't stop him and it went to scorecards where AJ won a close decision.. Do you not think he would have took the rematch?.

['b']

Every single person is different.. BJS looked awful against Akavov last year.. This Saturday he looked like one of the best boxers at MW.

Regardless, I'd rather believe Klitschko's word on his own performance rather than a person who has never even met him.

That was BJS AFTER the Akavov fight when he was facing Avtandil khurtsidze, and he was even fatter in the lead up to that fight. He went well above 200 pounds.

BJS is only 28 years old and after he got in shape for the Monroe fight, he didn't gain weight and went straight back to the gym, so he is in the best shape of his career. Anyone who follows him knew that going in.

So that is somehow equivalent to a 41 year old man who was ALWAYS in great physical shape and out of the ring for a year and a half? Man, you AJ fans are the most delusional fans out there, even moreso than GGG fans - tenfold.

[TheBigLug]

If AJ didn't stop him and it went to scorecards where AJ won a close decision.. Do you not think he would have took the rematch?.

Of course he would. It took someone to stop him to realise he was old and finished. Fighters often don't know when to stop.

I'm not knocking Joshua's win but it simply wasn't a better version of Wlad that Fury beat with little trouble. It was a same or worse/older version.

It was evident in the Jennings fight that Wlad's days were numbered as a top HW. Fury started the job and Joshua finished it, with some difficulty. That's all i was saying.

NO fighter is getting better at 41 years old. It's ludicrous to even suggest it. They might plateau at very best if they're lucky.

[Ray*]

People don't really like Lewis Hamilton in the UK.. Plus he doesn't live here and doesn't pay UK tax but his acchivements should have got him in the top 3. AJ is adored by UK public and he was in a fight which will be talked about decades from now and 90k fans attended the fight.. That's record braking for the UK post war.

Both guys are considered the best worldwide in thier respected sports not just the best in the UK.. Both guys didn't make it in the top 3. Something is off.

I understand all of that, still don’t get how based on one fight AJ was made odds on favourite to win the thing. Not wanting to sound ignorant but apart from Mo, I don’t know who the other two were. And I really do think Mo deserves it over Lewis and Femi IMHO.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Are there any bigger cucks on Earth than the UK? You literally have a, wait for it, 'BBC' award and are angry that the black guy who called you all inferior because of your race didn't win it? HAHAHA you can't make this all up.

The UK is like a more twisted version of The Twilight Zone, where everyone walks around with their ass cheeks spread apart for their masters to **** them at any given minute. Goodbye, United Cuckdom, it was fun while it lasted.

[NahMean]

That was BJS AFTER the Akavov fight when he was facing Avtandil khurtsidze, and he was even fatter in the lead up to that fight. He went well above 200 pounds.

BJS is only 28 years old and after he got in shape for the Monroe fight, he didn't gain weight and went straight back to the gym, so he is in the best shape of his career. Anyone who follows him knew that going in.

So that is somehow equivalent to a 41 year old man who was ALWAYS in great physical shape and out of the ring fr a year and a half? Man, you AJ fans are the most delusional fans out there, even moreso than GGG fans - tenfold.

My point exactly. Various factors determine the performance of a fighter.. As most boxers will tell you, being mentally strong is way more crucial than being physically strong in boxing.

You can have all the skills in the world, without desire you'll achieve nothing. Klitschko said he wasnt in the best place against Fury due to personal problems.

My observations is that something was off for Klitschko against Fury. He was a much more focused and determined fighter leading up to the rematch.. In the first fight he barely threw any punches which was uncharacteristic of him.

Of course that could have been due to Fury's awkwardness and anything could have happened in the rematch.. Fury may have even won. But you can't deny Klitschko looked like a confident man who wanted to prove the first fight was a fluke.

['b']

My point exactly. Various factors determine the performance of a fighter.. As most boxers will tell you, being mentally strong is way more crucial than being physically strong in boxing.

You can have all the skills in the world, without desire you'll achieve nothing. Klitschko said he wasnt in the best place against Fury due to personal problems.

My observations is that something was off for Klitschko against Fury. He was a much more focused and determined fighter leading up to the rematch.. In the first fight he barely threw any punches which was uncharacteristic of him.

Of course that could have been due to Fury's awkwardness and anything could have happened in the rematch.. Fury may have even won. But you can't deny Klitschko looked like a confident man who wanted to prove the first fight was a fluke.

Okay - but a fighter in their PRIME naturally gets better - not to mention BJS for the first time got in the best shape of his career and then didn't put the weight back on and spent a training camp improving his skill and cardio rather than losing weight.

That's a lot different from being in peak physical condition at 39 and a half and then being in peak physical condition at 41 years old after a ear and a half out of the ring.

Same reason I wouldn't compare a 75 year old to 77 year old man and make comparisons to a 20 year old progressing into a 22 year old. One is growing and one is declining - test levels decrease rapidly after 30 years old as well, year by year