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    #61
    Here is the problem. And I've said this before. If we take every champion, single division, multiple division and play the devil's advocate, we can downplay their resume, all of them. That's not realistic. We know every fighter has fought fighters before their prime, during their prime, after their prime, lost to club fighters, stopped by underdogs, didn't fight every single top fighter, or died in their prime. Just downplaying their resume is not realistic. So what do you do?

    Again, if we were to list all of the champions in the last 20 years as an example, and use all the criteria above, every fighter will have gone through a career similar to those experiences. How many were never knocked out? Now list all the criteria above against 50 of the very best fighters and if you are realistic, you will see what I am getting at soon. The point is not to picky nit every single resume, but to see how all of them stack up next to each other.

    I've seen fighters, even great fighters come after the time Floyd was a champion and retire well before Floyd did. I've seen fighters get knocked cold, my favorite fighters. I've seen great fighters lose to fighters they should not have lost to. And you know what, I've seen fans who swore that Floyd was ducking a fighter only to have Floyd fight that fighter in his next fight, a few of them actually. I've seen guys who predicted Floyd's opponents would knock him out. That didnt happen.

    Now, lets focus that list down to the fighters who were in the divisions Floyd fought in. Floyd proved he was the best. That makes him the best 130/135/140/147 pound fighter in each of those divisions in each portion of an era that he occupied them. Who in those divisions in those sections of those eras were factually better than Floyd? None. He was the best. I dont need to like every single thing about a fighter to know what is real when I see it. I've been following boxing for over 25 years and watching Floyd melt an opponents best weapons time and again and again and again is the reality of what I witnessed. He was not only the best of each of those divisions and each of those portions of eras which means THE era of the last 20 years but now stack him against all eras and you have a guy that that ranks pretty damn high against all eras. Accomplishments within his era and compared to other eras leaves you with a guy who is seriously up there. I have no doubt he is one of the top 20 men that ever laced on a pair of gloves. Again, count the wins, the titles, the losses, who a fighter lost to, how he lost, and compare that to Floyd's accomplishments and name someone from the last 20 years who bested what Floyd did. There is no one. If anyone would like, go ahead, stack those resumes up against each other. Pac is close, but he was knocked out a number of times and that cannot be counted as a plus. There is a deduction for getting knocked out...it is not a neutral factor.
    Last edited by richardt; 07-22-2017, 11:18 PM.

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      #62
      Originally posted by larryxxx. View Post
      He defeated top champs and p4p fighters..all i asked was name others who did more..should b e easy right?
      Pacquaio won world titles in 3 MORE DIVISIONS, that equates to floyd going all the way up to LHW and winning world titles, that's the hardest thing to top in my opinion

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        #63
        Originally posted by richardt View Post
        That makes him the best 130/135/140/147 pound fighter in each of those divisions in each portion of an era that he occupied them. Who in those divisions in those sections of those eras were factually better than Floyd? None. He was the best.
        This is incorrect.

        At 140, Floyd beat Gatti, Corley and Bruseles.

        At 140, Cotto beat Martinez, Ceballos, Maussa, Sosa, Ndou, Pinto, Bailey, Corley, Abdullaev, Torres, Branco and Mallignaggi.

        Tell me how Floyd had the better resume at 140?

        Regarding 147 before the retirement:

        Floyd beat Sharmba Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir and Hatton at 147. Floyd didn't beat not ONE top 10 147 lb'er before retiring.

        Cotto beat 3 top 10 147 lb'er and he had the WBA Strap. He beat Quintana, Urkal, Judah and Mosley.

        By the end of 2007, before Floyd's bogus retirement, Cotto had the better resume at 140 and 147. These are facts.

        He was not only the best of each of those divisions and each of those portions of eras which means THE era of the last 20 years
        You can make this argument but you also have to acknowledge that from 2007-2009, Floyd Mayweather didn't fight ONE top 10 Welterweight. Not ONE. He missed out on Cotto, Margarito and Williams.

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          #64
          Originally posted by Chollo Vista View Post
          This is incorrect.

          At 140, Floyd beat Gatti, Corley and Bruseles.

          At 140, Cotto beat Martinez, Ceballos, Maussa, Sosa, Ndou, Pinto, Bailey, Corley, Abdullaev, Torres, Branco and Mallignaggi.

          Tell me how Floyd had the better resume at 140?

          Regarding 147 before the retirement:

          Floyd beat Sharmba Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir and Hatton at 147. Floyd didn't beat not ONE top 10 147 lb'er before retiring.

          Cotto beat 3 top 10 147 lb'er and he had the WBA Strap. He beat Quintana, Urkal, Judah and Mosley.

          By the end of 2007, before Floyd's bogus retirement, Cotto had the better resume at 140 and 147. These are facts.



          You can make this argument but you also have to acknowledge that from 2007-2009, Floyd Mayweather didn't fight ONE top 10 Welterweight. Not ONE. He missed out on Cotto, Margarito and Williams.
          I'm talking about stacking resumes as a whole and combined with who considered the best of each division. Each of those divisions Floyd was in, he was considered the best, was not beaten, and almost no one favored to beat him. The only way Cotto could be better if he would have either beaten Floyd or been favored over him and neither was the case. On top of that, Cotto and Floyd fought when both were older in a division they shared at the time and Floyd won. When they crossed paths, Floyd proved he was the greater fighter. Checkmate Floyd. Floyd went through those divisions unbeaten, Cotto did not. Floyd was the best of his era collectively in all divisions they fought in as a whole and any ATG poll would illustrate this and rank Floyd higher. Accomplishments, total divisions, how many fights won vs lost, rounds won vs lost, expert opinion, you add it all up.
          Last edited by richardt; 07-23-2017, 12:32 AM.

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            #65
            Originally posted by richardt View Post
            I'm talking about stacking resumes as a whole and combined with who considered the best of each division. Each of those divisions Floyd was in, he was considered the best, was not beaten, and almost no one favored to beat him. The only way Cotto could be better if he would have either beaten Floyd or been favored over him and neither was the case. On top of that, Cotto and Floyd fought when both were older in a division they shared at the time and Floyd won. When they crossed paths, Floyd proved he was the greater fighter. Checkmate Floyd. Floyd went through those divisions unbeaten, Cotto did not. Floyd was the best of his era collectively in all divisions they fought in as a whole and any ATG poll would illustrate this and rank Floyd higher. Accomplishments, total divisions, how many fights won vs lost, rounds won vs lost, expert opinion, you add it all up.
            Well I think it's a bit unfair for you say Floyd had the better JWW resume, when Cotto clearly had the better resume.

            I also think it's a bit unfair for Cotto to get docked for literally fighting guys Floyd refused to fight. I also think it's unfair to dock Cotto for continuing to fight past 2007 instead of retiring after his victory over Mosley.

            Again, at the end of 2007 when they were supposed to fight, Cotto had the better WW resume. In addition, it's unfair to dock Cotto for fighting the best when Floyd refused to fight the guys Cotto fought; instead he retired.

            1. Floyd would not fight Margarito. Cotto fought Margarito in 2008. Floyd retired in 2007.

            2. Whether I agree with it or not, Cotto fought Pacquiao without any drug tests. Mayweather wouldn't fight Pacquiao without drug tests.

            So Cotto should get knocked for fighting Margarito in 2008 when Floyd had opportunities since 2005 to fight Margarito?

            Did Cotto ask for 20 million to fight Margarito? No.

            Did Cotto ask for unlimited drug tests to fight Pacquiao? No.

            Did Cotto retire for 2 1/2 years when the WW division was the hottest? No

            Did Cotto go 4 years without fighting a top WW? No

            Wrong or right, Did Cotto say he won't fight Pac unless there's random drug testing? No

            Did Floyd do the above? Yes.

            So why are we knocking Cotto for playing the game and congratulating Floyd for sitting the bench?
            Last edited by Chollo Vista; 07-23-2017, 12:45 AM.

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              #66
              Originally posted by richardt View Post
              Here is the problem. And I've said this before. If we take every champion, single division, multiple division and play the devil's advocate, we can downplay their resume, all of them. That's not realistic. We know every fighter has fought fighters before their prime, during their prime, after their prime, lost to club fighters, stopped by underdogs, didn't fight every single top fighter, or died in their prime. Just downplaying their resume is not realistic. So what do you do?

              Again, if we were to list all of the champions in the last 20 years as an example, and use all the criteria above, every fighter will have gone through a career similar to those experiences. How many were never knocked out? Now list all the criteria above against 50 of the very best fighters and if you are realistic, you will see what I am getting at soon. The point is not to picky nit every single resume, but to see how all of them stack up next to each other.

              I've seen fighters, even great fighters come after the time Floyd was a champion and retire well before Floyd did. I've seen fighters get knocked cold, my favorite fighters. I've seen great fighters lose to fighters they should not have lost to. And you know what, I've seen fans who swore that Floyd was ducking a fighter only to have Floyd fight that fighter in his next fight, a few of them actually. I've seen guys who predicted Floyd's opponents would knock him out. That didnt happen.

              Now, lets focus that list down to the fighters who were in the divisions Floyd fought in. Floyd proved he was the best. That makes him the best 130/135/140/147 pound fighter in each of those divisions in each portion of an era that he occupied them. Who in those divisions in those sections of those eras were factually better than Floyd? None. He was the best. I dont need to like every single thing about a fighter to know what is real when I see it. I've been following boxing for over 25 years and watching Floyd melt an opponents best weapons time and again and again and again is the reality of what I witnessed. He was not only the best of each of those divisions and each of those portions of eras which means THE era of the last 20 years but now stack him against all eras and you have a guy that that ranks pretty damn high against all eras. Accomplishments within his era and compared to other eras leaves you with a guy who is seriously up there. I have no doubt he is one of the top 20 men that ever laced on a pair of gloves. Again, count the wins, the titles, the losses, who a fighter lost to, how he lost, and compare that to Floyd's accomplishments and name someone from the last 20 years who bested what Floyd did. There is no one. If anyone would like, go ahead, stack those resumes up against each other. Pac is close, but he was knocked out a number of times and that cannot be counted as a plus. There is a deduction for getting knocked out...it is not a neutral factor.

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                #67
                Since when did it become cool to congratulate a fighter for retiring and going from 2006-2010 without facing a top WW and knock a fighter for "not retiring" and facing everyone placed in front of him and shying away from no one?

                In what world is it ok to go 4 YEARS without fighting a top guy, but ding the guys that did?

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Chollo Vista View Post
                  Why are you stuck on 2006 when Floyd didn't fight not ONE top WW in 2007, 2008 or 2009?
                  In 2007 he fought Oscar who was a top 5 154 fighter and Hatton who was the lineal champ at 140

                  so in 3 fights he beat

                  Baldo-lineal 147 champ

                  Oscar #3 154 WBC champ

                  Hatton-Lineal 140 champ


                  He basically beat 3 divisons top fighters

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by larryxxx. View Post
                    In 2007 he fought Oscar who was a top 5 154 fighterand Hatton who was the lineal champ at 140

                    so in 3 fights he beat

                    Baldo-lineal 147 champ

                    Oscar #3 154 WBC champ

                    Hatton-Lineal 140 champ


                    He basically beat 3 divisons top fighters
                    Here's the facts buddy, cut it how you like. Floyd didn't fight a TOP WW for 4 YEARS.

                    Even Uncle Roger knew that Floyd was lined up to fight the Mosley vs Cotto winner:

                    http://krikya360.com/forums/s...d.php?t=135690

                    And I quote "Mayweather knows the next opponent for Floyd will probably come out of the Nov. 10 battle between WBA welterweight champ Miguel Cotto and former three division title-holder "Sugar" Shane Mosley."

                    It was even more evident in this interview after the Cotto vs Mosley fight, Nov 10th, 2007:

                    @1:38, Cotto says "Mayweather, Hatton, Margarito, De La Hoya, Whoever they put in front of me, I'll fight".



                    In December 2007, here's what Floyd had to say regarding facing Cotto:



                    Floyd also said Cotto lives too far and isn't a PPV star.


                    I think it's quite clear Floyd ducked this fight by retiring for almost 2 years right after.

                    Here's the Welterweight rankings at the end of 2007:

                    Floyd Mayweather Jr., Champion
                    Miguel Cotto
                    Paul Williams
                    Shane Mosley
                    Antonio Margarito
                    Zab Judah
                    Kermit Cintron
                    Luis Collazo
                    Joshua Clottey
                    Jackson Osei Bonsu
                    Oktay Urkal

                    In 2008, here were The Ring's top 10 Welterweights:

                    Antonio Margarito
                    Miguel Cotto
                    Shane Mosley
                    Joshua Clottey
                    Manny Pacquiao
                    Carlos Quintana
                    Zab Judah
                    Luis Collazo
                    Andre Berto
                    Isaac Hlatshwayo

                    Tell me why instead of fighting Cotto, Williams, Margarito, Floyd fought, Junior Welterweight, Ricky Hatton and retired right after?

                    When presented with Cotto, why did Floyd say "I won't let the sport of boxing retire me, I'll retire before that happens"?

                    Why did Floyd say this only to continue to fight for another 10 years to this day?

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Shape up View Post
                      Pacquaio won world titles in 3 MORE DIVISIONS, that equates to floyd going all the way up to LHW and winning world titles, that's the hardest thing to top in my opinion
                      Pacquiao's titles.

                      WBC Flyweight Title (December 1998-September 1999; 1 defense)
                      IBF Junior Featherweight Title (June 2001-2003; 4 defenses)
                      WBC Junior Lightweight Title (March 2008-July 2008; 0 defenses)
                      WBC Lightweight Title (June 2008-February 2009; 0 defenses)
                      (3) WBO Welterweight Title (November 2009-June 2012; 3 defenses, April 2014-May 2015; 1 defense, November 2016-present; 0 defenses)
                      WBC Light Middleweight Title (November 2010-February 2011; 0 defences

                      That's 6 divisions. Why you always lying?

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