I think we can all agree that all boxers are juicing...

[elfag]

vast majority of all top athletes are using PEDs. that includes the vast majority of boxers and thus the vast majority of my favorite fighters as well.

They ought to just drop testing and allow PEDs. Everyone at the top uses them anyways. blah blah blah the athlete's health. There is inherit risk to all sports. People dont play sports for health, they play them to win.

[BKM-]

Most people still think Mike "I used a fake penis to pass drug tests" Tyson never used any performance enhancing drugs even though he didn't lift weights and was more muscular and shredded at the age of 15 than the biggest natural body builders who do nothing but lift and eat right.

If that's the crowd you're dealing with, you're not gonna reach reality through them when it comes to the fact that everyone juices in top level sports including boxing.

[ironmt]

Why would we all agree on that? I believe Floyd is a clean fighter. Unlike the most obvious juicer in boxing, Floyd didn't carry power through weight classes, he had to change up his style dramatically to remain on top. Meanwhile an obvious juicer now struggles to beat the likes Jeff Horn comfortably without his roids.

That Is absolutely false. Pacquiao did not carry his power through weight classes. The following Is based on 64 fights.


Weight Age Range Record KO(%)

=<112 lbs 16-17 12-1 4 (30%)
112 lbs 17-20 14-1 13 (87%)
122 lbs 21-24 11-0- 11 (92%)
126 lbs 24-25 2-0-1 2 (66%)
130 lbs 26-29 7-1 4 (50%)
135 lbs 29 1-0 1 (100%)
140 lbs 30 1-0 1 (100%)
147 lbs 30-36 9-2 2 (18%)

The majority of Pacquiao's ko's were at 122 lbs

[bluepete]

Why would we all agree on that? I believe Floyd is a clean fighter. Unlike the most obvious juicer in boxing, Floyd didn't carry power through weight classes, he had to change up his style dramatically to remain on top. Meanwhile an obvious juicer now struggles to beat the likes Jeff Horn comfortably without his roids.

He's power outage is, according to him, because of he's bad hands. He has superhuman stamina, even when he got older. Most fighters are on GH. Even the local cage fighters here, who get paid peanuts take the stuff. With millions on the line you want the edge.

[bluepete]

vast majority of all top athletes are using PEDs. that includes the vast majority of boxers and thus the vast majority of my favorite fighters as well.

They ought to just drop testing and allow PEDs. Everyone at the top uses them anyways. blah blah blah the athlete's health. There is inherit risk to all sports. People dont play sports for health, they play them to win.

Trouble is, then it becomes who has the best chemist.Of course most of these guys are on stuff, but it'd get real outrageous if it was anything goes.

[Beercules]

Listen ii a Pac fan and can admit he likely used a drug at some point in his career.

Just being 100% honest.

Floyd also has likely used a drug.

Not sure why some peoples (FlowMos) cant accept this reality.

[rickJen]

So why is it that the Floyd fanbase can accept Pacquaio is juicing,
but can't accept Mayweahter is juicing?
Just imagine if Pac got caught getting IV to mask the peds.
I see people giving up in the debates, when all else fail, and just say,
"everyone is juicing anyways. No big deal."
Problem is they can't come to terms admitting the IV guy is a cheater.
Why is that?

[Kigali]

Do you accept Floyd Mayweather is juicing?

Can you accept that he is not??

[CHOWWOKKA]

But but but floyd doesn't hit hard and has no pimples

[rickJen]

Can you accept that he is not??

Why?