Prime Iron Mike versus Joshua or Wilder today

[Elroy The Great]

But but but he was past his prime when he fought buster douglas.......lol

''it was the japs fault mike lost to buster !!!''

[Elroy The Great]

no other 20 y/o could have EVER beaten the following ''champs''~

berbick
smith
thomas
tucker

and to beat hw legend seldon also ?!?!?!?!?

ok, im convinced..... !!!!!

[hugh grant]

A past prime wlad was neck and neck with josh.
Prime Tyson beats josh within 8 rounds, likely earlier though

[Graz]

Prime Mike Tyson would KO both Joshua and Wilder. He was demonic and unstoppable back then.

[elfag]

Prime Tyson's defense was too good.

Joshua is too slow and wilder is faster but very sloppy.

[Mr Objecitivity]

mike tyson and greatness is absurd.
mike tyson and FAMOUS

lucky for him its not called the hall of greatness

Define 'greatness'! Many new upcoming boxers who weren't even alive to see Mike Tyson fight live and some weren't even alive until Mike Tyson retired are inspired / aspired by Mike Tyson to start boxing. A lot of those new boxers are even looking to develop / model their boxing style based on Mike Tyson's. If that is one way of defining 'greatness', then his greatness is undoubtedly self evident.

Chances are, the legacy which Mike Tyson left behind will probably never be forgotten by the boxing world. Thus, even though he may one day die, his effects on the boxing world and his legacy will remain immortal.

In 50 - 100 years time, the boxing world is still likely to remember Mike Tyson and some may even still be inspired by Mike Tyson to start boxing or to box like him. Again, if that's how greatness is defined, then Mike Tyson is as great as anybody can be. At least in the sport of boxing.

So yes, Mike Tyson is certainly 'great' according to my definition of 'greatness'. Feel to disagree, but no amount of hatred, dislike, or irrational criticism from you could ever take those things away from Mike Tyson no matter how hard you try to take it away from him or discredit him.

[Mr Objecitivity]

"something he can't do against Lennox Lewis as Lewis himself was also very skilled. If you're a smaller boxer facing a bigger boxer who was much less skilled than you, you can overcome your size disadvantages by using superior skills. However, if they were the same size but were just as skilled as you were close to your skill level, then you don't stand much of a chance because you can't overcome your size disadvantages using your superior skills because you don't have superior skills to use compared to such an opponent."

This qoute from YOU...has nothing to do what i just posted..and thats actual faults of Lewis and similar like Tyson opponents who fought both. you keep mentioning superior skill??? Again Tyson COUNTERS Lewis all day the way he fought...

I already showed you with actual fights Lewis weakness was fast paced fighters...Tyson would not only win more than the first TWO rnds( he did that ALREADY PAST his best) he would stop Lewis if he pressed him between 3/6 rnds....your calculations really dont add up here. You are using numbers not associated not just what i posted but the actual match up. i have NO doubt Tyson k.os Lewis in the 80's and a VERY good shot in the early 90's.

Maybe you missed ALOT of Lewis fights but he was rocked /even dropped ( werent called) by less punchers who didnt have Tyson skills...im not really sure where you cant see this?

All in all it comes down to skills no matter what you post here bc a combination of speed/power and evasiveness under Cus or rooney would beat the guys you are mentioning if he really had to and the fights i even gave you( two guys and even a sparring partner knocked Lewis OUT) you have little to fight me on here....


Im not sure if youve ever boxed but i can tell you ,a guy like Tyson would crush just about anyone on his best day you NEED CERTAIN intangibles to deal with him...Lewis has faults that Tyson would expoit even at 5'11 it really doesnt matter we are doing H2H matches here..the real life skills dont stop with someones weight ...in most cases it would NOT here!. !


you are using DANNY WIILLIAMS to TRY and prove me wrong might as well use Kevin McBride too?....lmao...just stop!

You also claim these BIG guys that caused him trouble???did you ignore everything i posted or make up fiments of imagination ???Look i been around the block..i see what you are trying to do..and well....it aint gona work with me bc as you are trying to prove Tyson is P4P the best im SHOWING you he was more than P4P....

You can ignore my points ( you had too to keep posting to me which is fine but you really need to Re Read All my post on this thread, maybe this site ,which has MANY nuts ,some are on this very thread)....either way i hope you actually read what im posting bc it MAKES SENSE!

I honestly can't recall the last time i met such a poster who made great Tyson points to give him credit and at the same time drag him down so low you think he was a 12 year old boy fighting Andre the Giant the way you describe his chances?

"Do you realize how small a heavyweight Mike Tyson was? He would probably be stomped on by these giants and be squashed like a bug. They would be looking down on Mike Tyson like an irrelevant insect. "

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

JUST NO!

I can see that you are a passionate Mike Tyson fan and supporter. Believe me, I am one of Mike Tyson's biggest fans too and if her ever fought boxers like Lennox Lewis or the Klitschkos, I will be supporting Mike Tyson all day long even whilst worrying for his health when taking on such behemoths. I'm just trying to be as realistic and objective as I can.

I genuinely do believe and wish that you were right. That Mike Tyson could just walk through and destroy all those boxers that I've claimed he would lose against. However, my wishes and what I objectively believe would happen is different. I just really struggle to see how Mike Tyson could beat Lennox Lewis or the Klitschkos. Too much reach, height and weight combined with skills. Again, I wish you are correct though.

How does Mike Tyson deal with head control (pushing / pulling the opponent's head as they try to close the distance)? Wladimir Klitschko is a master at doing that. How does Mike Tyson deal with getting clinched? Simply, how does Mike Tyson deal with those 3 opponent's lead hand control of keeping their arms extended and making it impossible for Mike Tyson to get close and if he does get close, holding clinching him? Especially with Lennox Lewis and Wladimir Klitschko and less with Vitali.

Maybe I was going a little overboard with that statement above with Mike Tyson getting squashed like a bug / insect by those super heavyweights looking down on him. I take that back. However, Mike Tyson will certainly have his hands full against heavyweights that are as big + skilled as the Klitschkos or Lennox Lewis. It might just be too much for him (I hope not lol).

I'm posting numbers because they are facts. It is factually true that Mike Tyson's KO% suffered against opponents above 230 pounds (average modern heavyweight). It also suffered or decreased as opponents became taller too. What reason do you think was the cause to this? Just asking! I just want your input on this.

Do you genuinely believe that Mike Tyson's punching power decreased as he became older in the later stages of his career? I personally don't because I believe punching power in an ability that stays with a boxer for longer than most other abilities. Punching power generally stays with a boxer even by the age in which Mike Tyson retired. I think that his power remained the same in an old age as it did when he was young. It's just that he was fighting and punching heavier opponents at the latter stages of his career, where it appeared his punching power had less of an effect. Not saying Mike Tyson wasn't powerful, but his power wasn't as effective against much heavier and taller opponents. Otherwise, why couldn't Mike Tyson KO Danny Williams, Kevin Mcbride and Brian Nielsen the same way he knocked out Marvis Frazier with his first combination he landed in the first 30 seconds of the first round? It surely does make me curious. I genuinely believe size (height and weight) played a big factor, especially weight!

It's almost miraculous how someone of Mike Tyson's size has accomplished as much though with everything else being said and done. It deserves tremendous respect regardless. Losing to Lennox Lewis or the Klitschkos is no shame at all, especially when taking into consideration that he probably didn't even have to be a heavyweight and could've fought at cruiserweight and have dominated even more.

[Elroy The Great]

Define 'greatness'! Many new upcoming boxers who weren't even alive to see Mike Tyson fight live and some weren't even alive until Mike Tyson retired are inspired / aspired by Mike Tyson to start boxing. A lot of those new boxers are even looking to develop / model their boxing style based on Mike Tyson's. If that is one way of defining 'greatness', then his greatness is undoubtedly self evident.

Chances are, the legacy which Mike Tyson left behind will probably never be forgotten by the boxing world. Thus, even though he may one day die, his effects on the boxing world and his legacy will remain immortal.

In 50 - 100 years time, the boxing world is still likely to remember Mike Tyson and some may even still be inspired by Mike Tyson to start boxing or to box like him. Again, if that's how greatness is defined, then Mike Tyson is as great as anybody can be. At least in the sport of boxing.

So yes, Mike Tyson is certainly 'great' according to my definition of 'greatness'. Feel to disagree, but no amount of hatred, dislike, or irrational criticism from you could ever take those things away from Mike Tyson no matter how hard you try to take it away from him or discredit him.

i was on board the tyson train when he was coming up (fighting bums). watching his opponents shlt themselves while getting instructions was hysterical.

then he became ''famous'' and got exposed. his die hard fans rolled out excuse after excuse (he was fncked in that **** case though).

his image proceeds him, making his resume look MUCH better than it is.

berbick, smith, tucker, thomas.....cmon

[Mr.Fantastic]

Iron Mike would put both of them to sleep. People really under-appreciate the skills of Mike Tyson.

[Mr Objecitivity]

i was on board the tyson train when he was coming up (fighting bums). watching his opponents shlt themselves while getting instructions was hysterical.

then he became ''famous'' and got exposed. his die hard fans rolled out excuse after excuse (he was fncked in that **** case though).

his image proceeds him, making his resume look MUCH better than it is.

berbick, smith, tucker, thomas.....cmon

His accomplishments are still greater than anything anybody his own size have accomplished. That's where his greatness comes from, the fact that he probably shouldn't have even been a heavyweight in the first place but still accomplished as much as he did.

In the end, it doesn't really matter what me or you alone think of Mike Tyson. It matters that he has inspired hundreds of people (I alone know of) and many others that I don't know of to take up the sport of boxing and to become the strongest version of themselves. It also matters that it's very likely even in the future, people will still continue to be inspired by him even though they weren't born when he was boxing. That's greatness! You're words or my words hold very little merit relative to that.