Comments Thread For: Team Golovkin: No Negotiating Weight With Canelo, 160 or Vacate

[BWC]

I'm a financial analyst who works a lot with valuation. The valuation of any business is typically calculated using time-discounted future cash flows. Since PBC doesn't have any TV deals AS OF RIGHT NOW, there are no real future cash flows to calculate any sort of valuation with making this valuation meaningless if and when Haymon signs any TV deal.

This prob reflects "book value" or the value of on-hand assets rather than a reflection of any really going concern value of PBC..

[aboutfkntime]

yeah man you tell em, **** Ward willing to go down to 160 to fight Mayweather but not willing to go down to 164 to fight Golovkin. me and you are on the same page here.

Smarten up.....

I am SURE that you are aware of this, but.....

1) Ward admitted that he did NOT pursue a Mayweather fight
2) Ward admitted that comment was not serious, and was tongue-in-cheek
3) Ward admitted that he cannot make 160
4) Ward admitted it was nothing more than a silly twitter-beef.





But, if you had even the slightest clue about boxing, you would know that Ward cannot make 164, let alone 160.

You are either clueless or dishonest.

Sorry, but I can't be fk'd listening to you asshat's roll out the same dumb **** again-and-again.

[superchamp]

This whole middleweight situation annoys me, and at this point it's entirely Golovkin's fault for allowing it to continue.

He says that he won't leave middleweight until he unifies all the belts, but he doesn't seem interested in doing that.

He could have forced Canelo/Cotto to fight him or vacate several times over the last couple of years, but keeps taking step-aside money in hopes of securing a big payday from one of them.

However, if he has no intention of making the Canelo fight at a catchweight, Canelo will just end up vacating, and his whole reason for delaying collecting that the belt (waiting for the big payday) will have been for nothing.

So essentially he's complaining about a situation that he has allowed to continue, and could stop at anytime, while benefiting from the step-aside money.

It's obvious that he's in no rush to unify and no rush to move up. He's happily collecting money for doing nothing while the division remains on hold, so the only ones who have anything to complain about are the fans.

[Death_Adder]

there is no rule that expressly prohibits it, because fighters are free to agree on a catchweight if they want to. But a catchweight cannot be FORCED in a mandatory defense. If no deal is reached, when a fight goes to purse bid the weight is automatically set at the division limit.

If it's not in the rule book then Canelo isn't doing anything wrong.

[QballLobo]

They didn't say they would fight him at 155, they said not for the unification of THREE MIDDLE WEIGHT TITLES.

Why should Canelo get to unify the MW division at 1 pound above JRMW.

Canelo apologist are exactly what's wrong with boxing.




The WBC had recently been sued for 31 million dollars for crap like this, team GGG got it in writing, WBC isn't gonna risk another huge lawsuit.

http://krikya360.com/wbc-asks-...t-grace--10203

If they strip Canelo then a GGG/Canelo fight is off the table and K2 knows it. Canelo can fight anyone else and make the same amount of money as fighting GGG. GGG has no other options for a big payday. I said the morning after the Cotto fight GGG deserves a shot, but he is crazy if he thinks the fight will be on anything other than Canelo's terms and preferred weight. Just isn't going to happen. GGG is having problems finding an opponent because everyone he approaches know he needs a stay busy fight in hopes of a Canelo fight in the fall. Thus everyone K2 approaches is squeezing them for maximum money because they know he has minimal options. I bring this up because the bandwagon GGG fans seem to think he is this big superstar who can dictate terms. He can't enforce his terms on these nobody's, what's he think he can dictate to HBO's next PPV star?
Bottom line is GGG will get the fight on Canelo's terms or no fight. Other fighters bowed down to the A side to get the fight. Canelo accepted Cotto's, Floyd and Manny accepted Oscar's terms, GGG will be no different. If he is as confident in beating Canelo as his groupies are he should take the fight at whatever he is offered and do his talking in the ring.

[OnePunch]

the fight was never going to happen...why set up your golden goose to take an L...ggg is a good fighter but he doesnt have enough to beat Ward....only chance is a one shot kayo...Ward is bigger, probably stronger physically, harder to hit, faster, better defense...only thing GGG has on ward is power and you have to land enough for that to even matter.....talk is cheap...they were never going after Ward...why fight the loser(Froch) when you can fight his daddy?

and thats your OPINION. No more valid than MY opinion that GGG puts Ward on the floor.

[OnePunch]

If it's not in the rule book then Canelo isn't doing anything wrong.

so something is only considered "wrong" if its mentioned in a rule book?

I'll remember that the next time you critique a fighter about something......

[Death_Adder]

so something is only considered "wrong" if its mentioned in a rule book?

I'll remember that the next time you critique a fighter about something......

Ok, I'll rephrase it,

If it's not in the rule book (which I read and I didn't see anything) then Canelo calling for a catch weight isn't wrong.

If the rule book stated that a mandatory fight MUST be fought at that weight limit, and Canelo was being a ***** about it, then I would call him out on it.

As it happens there isn't anything in the rule book about weight limits and mandatory fights.

[OnePunch]

Ok, I'll rephrase it,

If it's not in the rule book (which I read and I didn't see anything) then Canelo calling for a catch weight isn't wrong.

If the rule book stated that a mandatory fight MUST be fought at that weight limit, and Canelo was being a ***** about it, then I would call him out on it.

As it happens there isn't anything in the rule book about weight limits and mandatory fights.

when a fighter tries to use financial clout to impose a catchweight for no purpose other than to physically deplete his opponent, I dont need a rule book to tell me that fighter is shook.

The upside is that since it is indeed a mandatory defense, GGG has the right to decline a catchweight and send the fight to purse bid, where Canelo's options would be to fight at 160 or vacate the title.....

[therealpugilist]

and thats your OPINION. No more valid than MY opinion that GGG puts Ward on the floor.

i know whats not an opinion...Ward has beat more champions/titlists, is more proven in the pro ranks and actually held a legitimate world title and was the man in his divison because he beat who mattered...GGG hasnt, he is a good fighter though