After beating Joe Frazier and George Foreman in 74, Ali fought Chuck Wepner

[MDPopescu]

Comparing Floyd to Ali LOL

Lets compare their resumes then...

Who on Floyd CV is comparable to George Foreman?

Ali fought competitors who were in their primes, with the odds stacked against him

Floyds nearest challenge was 5 years too late, against a old midget, who had been knocked out unconscious few fights earlier

Right. Foreman was 24 and world champion, just after dispatching Frazier and Norton...
Floyd fought a 36 yo Pacman, who wasn't able to dispatch Algieri...

... maybe Ali actually needed a "soft tough" after 'Rumble in the Jungle'... but what "soft tough" Floyds needs after trading about 10 punches per round with an one armed Pac?

... so he needs a "soft touch", right?

[M Bison]

By who? I've received more green k for this thread than any thread I've made all year.

I'm not even a Mayeather fan. All I'm saying is it isn't that uncommon for these types to fights to happen after big fights, which I've clearly shown. I can list a lot more if you'd like. Go through the list of your favorite old school fighters and look at all the Berto's on their resumes.

Perhaps receiving Green K from Floyd groupies, I think the biggest part you're missing out on is Muhammad Ali didn't end his career with a soft touch and he didn't get a pay-day of near 30 million dollars for fighting a nobody, by no way am I his biggest fan but like many others have said the comparison is all off.

Soft touches here and there are acceptable yes but right on the final not of your career when there are so many names that could have been made to fight that and the fact he waited how long to announce the man he was facing?
The people paying Floyd this ludicrous amount of money should have some say in this because its their money he is just basically robbing right off them and the hands of loyal fans who will be idiotic enough to pay for this.

[El-blanco]

I do believe you're missing the point entirely. I never once said Pacquiao and Foreman are the exact same thing.

You kind of are, though. You're suggesting Ali took an easy touch so it's okay for Floyd to do it, as well. While it's true, and it's okay to do so, the contexts are completely different. Ali fought true bad asses, Floyd is fighting guys the size of juniors in high school, his easy touch is not the same as Ali's and isn't necessary.

[M Bison]

Right. Foreman was 24 and world champion, just after dispatching Frazier and Norton...
Floyd fought a 36 yo Pacman, who wasn't able to dispatch Algieri...

... maybe Ali actually needed a "soft tough" after 'Rumble in the Jungle'... but what "soft tough" Floyds needs after trading about 10 punches per round with an one armed Pac?

... so he needs a "soft touch", right?

It all boils down to him making a mockery of the sport and taking boxing fans for absolute fools, what I dislike most of all is people trying to say you shouldn't be outraged by this.

Obviously you don't have to pay but think how the other guys feel guys like Porter, Thurman and even Brook (wont mention Khan) they work this hard to be mugged off so Floyd can simply get an easy payday, its like you feel bad for this man who is coming off a career record payday.

Its us that pay his wages in many ways and If you're not willing to call out the bull**** when you see it then that makes you the worst fanboy of them all, not even I'd stand for my favourite fighters right doing that type of crap but then again none would be getting paid anywhere near as much and most of the time they're not PPV events... smh

[superchamp]

Sorry but not a single name is comparable to Foreman

You named a bunch of shot, over the hill fighters and one guy who was still green and weight drained

Ali fought a genuine killer.

Floyd should have fought Pac 5 years earlier, before Pac was knocked out unconscious, back when Pac was walking through everyone.

Floyd also used various excuses to duck boxers like Margarito

The only way Floyd can now redeem himself is to move up and fight Triple G at Middleweight, with no CW, then maybe he will crack the top 20 all time greats.

Sorry, which of those fighters were shot and over the hill when Floyd fought them?

Mosley is the only one who didn't really go on to achieve anything, but he was the champion at 147 and the consensus was that Floyd was scared. After Pacquiao dropped out of their negotiations over blood testing, Mosley was the next best guy and that's who Floyd fought.

Cotto went on to win the middleweight championship, Canelo went on to beat Lara, Kirkland and Angulo, and Hatton was at his peak. Castillo was probably also at/near his peak when Floyd fought him.

Margarito's most impressive win was a tainted win over Cotto, which he got after losing to Paul Williams, and after which he was subsequently destroyed by Mosley.

and Corrales was 23 yrs old when he fought Floyd (who was the same age), and as I said was considered a serious threat.

[Scott9945]

If Ali is so much better than Floyd doesn't that make him fighting Chuck Wepner even worse?

Wepner was awful, man. As bad as the heavyweight division is now, he wouldn't even make top 50. When Foreman only had 3 total pro fights, he knocked out Wepner in a couple of rounds. That's how bad he was, just some guy very young guys fight in their first few matches.

It isn't quite the same as Ali fought Ron Lyle less than two months after Wepner and Joe Frazier later that same year. Plus the Wepner fight was on free television.

But yes, Wepner was awful.

[ElMeroChingon]

Who had a record of 30-9-2 and Ali was a 10 to 1 betting favorite over. The fight was a joke in every way imaginable BUT Ali just beat the guy who beat him before in Frazier and then TKO's the undefeated killer that everyone thought would knockout Ali in Foreman. So he took a soft touch after. Big deal. No one cares now. No one remembers Ali for taking a couple soft touches between big fights, which he did from time to time.

Berto is essentially Mayweather's Chuck Wepner. Floyd finally beat the guy that so many said would beat him, in the richest fight this sport has ever seen against Pacquiao and now he's taking a softy. I'm not paying $74.95 for it, but I'm not mad about it either.

The thing is Everyone thought he would beat him before he got BRUTALLY KO"ED, laid out unconscious for MINUTES. I have a feeling even FLoyd had doubts when Pacquiao was on his prime.

When the fight happened, we all knew in the back of our minds that FLoyd now had the edge because of how Manny looked coming back, Pacquiao's KO loss took a lot out of him, you could see it against RIOS and Bradley, he went gun shy, his activity and to a point his recklessness was his biggest attribute, kept guys from throwing, keeping their hands at bay. That was gone with his comeback fights.


Lol for fighting his nemesis at his weakest point, nearly 5-6 years after it should've taken place?

I can't wait until Floyd and Pac retire, hopefully the value of a "undefeated" record diminishes, and their worth is measured on who and when they fought.

[Canelo Phresh]

Natas, he didn't charge ppv for the Wepner fight. If Mayweather had put this fight on CBS, it would be completely fine.

[ИATAS]

You kind of are, though. You're suggesting Ali took an easy touch so it's okay for Floyd to do it, as well. While it's true, and it's okay to do so, the contexts are completely different. Ali fought true bad asses, Floyd is fighting guys the size of juniors in high school, his easy touch is not the same as Ali's and isn't necessary.

No I'm not. I'm just saying both were huge fights (I'm not comparing the fighters qualities). And that's true - Foreman/Ali MEGA fight, Pac/Floyd MEGA fight. Both followed up with soft touches. This is factual stuff. I'm not arguing opinion based stuff (was pac prime, was floyd prime for that matter, who had the tougher schedules & resumes, etc.).

I don't like this fight either, I'm just saying this stuff happens in boxing all the time. Some people have this weird distorted view of old time fighters for being nothing but pure warriors who didn't fight for money. Well, that's not always true. They didn't always fight the best and some of them, especially Ali, were alll about the money. People like to forget that about Ali, he was a money driven guy (not that there's anything wrong with that).

[ИATAS]

Natas, he didn't charge ppv for the Wepner fight. If Mayweather had put this fight on CBS, it would be completely fine.

He charged closed circuit. They made a lot of money off the Wepner fight.