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    What exactly is Haymon's end game with PBC?

    Okay so he spends all this money to buy time on various networks, assuming to make a good impression and encourage these networks to buy the product. We also assume he wants to get more eyes on his up and coming fighters. Then following one good card on NBC he starts putting these fights on that no one cares about.

    Seriously, what is the point of putting fighters like Ghost on NBC but putting Khan vs Algeri on Spike? Why take the loser of the NBC fight and make him into a main eventer while taking the winner over to ESPN? Surely if Haymon wants to build a brand and gain support, now should be the time to go all out with great cards on these networks. Why even bother putting someone like Degale as a main eventer when we know American audiences won't support him?

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    crash and burn while fattening his own pockets with no liability on his behalf.

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      #3
      I'm puzzled by his approach as well. He's shooting himself in the foot by overpaying guys like Guerrero and berto amongst others. Apparently they've lost over 100 million already.

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        #4
        I don't see his endgame either. The ratings seems to be increasing slightly over what the networks had in those time slots before but the numbers aren't earth shattering.

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          #5
          Originally posted by El-blanco View Post
          I'm puzzled by his approach as well. He's shooting himself in the foot by overpaying guys like Guerrero and berto amongst others. Apparently they've lost over 100 million already.

          Shooting himself in the foot? How exactly? As the fighters' 'advisor', Haymon is taking a cut of anything from 15 to 30% of their purse for each fight. If we settle on an average of 20%, then he made more money from Guerrero's purse yesterday than any other fighter on the card made in purse money. By the time the investors realize that this is going nowhere, Haymon will have padded his personal bank account by around 50-75 million dollars. Haymon is not shooting himself in the foot, he's laughing all the way to the bank!

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            #6
            Originally posted by Barcham View Post
            Shooting himself in the foot? How exactly? As the fighters' 'advisor', Haymon is taking a cut of anything from 15 to 30% of their purse for each fight. If we settle on an average of 20%, then he made more money from Guerrero's purse yesterday than any other fighter on the card made in purse money. By the time the investors realize that this is going nowhere, Haymon will have padded his personal bank account by around 50-75 million dollars. Haymon is not shooting himself in the foot, he's laughing all the way to the bank!
            I'm not surprised by much but if his end game is to get richer and screw over his investors I'd be shocked.

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              #7
              Originally posted by El-blanco View Post
              I'm not surprised by much but if his end game is to get richer and screw over his investors I'd be shocked.
              I may not like Haymon but I do not believe he is a ****** man. Only a ****** man could believe that he could make a deal with the networks where they would end up paying the high purses he is paying to his fighters as well as pay a rights fee to PBC to continue this series once the investor money is gone. Television networks are not in business to lose money and there is no possible way that boxing can work on network television with the kind of money they are paying out and still turn a profit with the rating they are getting.

              Another thing is that networks are not generally fond of sharing their property with other networks. You will not be seeing Big **** Theory running on NBC anytime soon, for example. So I cannot imagine a network signing a deal unless they have exclusive rights to broadcast the fights. You do not see other pro sports leagues broadcasting their games on multiple networks. NHL games on ABC? Nope. NBC only.

              Haymon will let this run as long as he possibly can, maybe with the goal of possibly securing a deal with one network at the end. In the meantime, I doubt he is disappointed in the money he is making and I'm sure he is quite pleased.

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                #8
                Yea idk wtf is going on with many of the decisions with this. I love the concept of their being a elite boxing league like other sports have an elite league, which is what I believe to be the end goal here, but idk if their going about it the right way. Than again we are still just 3(?) months into a 18 month+ initial plan thats got a couple hundro mill war chest so its not like there isn't plenty of time to steer the ship in the right direction.

                Its clear at this point to me, as a fan of this concept, that they don't seem to have much focus on some of the finer points with this plan & maybe they're looking at a much bigger picture that I'm not able to see, privy to or fully understand, but I think this has been a high risk plan from the start & the success or failure could lie in the finer points.

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                  #9
                  I have wanted for boxing to return to regular tv for a while, but from the beginning I though Haymon wasn't the man for the job. You simply can't protect fighters and make the best matchups at the same time. He also doesn't know how to properly build up fighters, most of his fighters' relevance has faded since leaving their old promoters, the most glaring example being Garcia, another one being Danny Jacobs. He spoils fighters so making good, hell even decent matchups is twice as difficult as it should be.

                  Maybe it picks up but I doubt it, most people make up their mind pretty quick about stuff, and the matchups are actually getting worse. Say whatever you want about Arum, but you know if he had Haymon's stable most of those fighters would have fought each other already. Oh well I will enjoy the fights while they last.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by El-blanco View Post
                    I'm not surprised by much but if his end game is to get richer and screw over his investors I'd be shocked.
                    Agree. Haymon isn't the typical guy in boxing. He's had great success in the concert business. He's a legit businessman who seems to have a love &/or respect for boxing &/or boxers. I don't think he's altruistic or anything like that. He's looking to make some money, but I think he's attempting to give the boxers a better platform for money & success too.

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